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Post by bdogfan on Nov 7, 2015 7:32:18 GMT -7
I read somewhere on FB that the team seeding selection is going to be Saturday night. Do any of you know? If Mr. Lucero's of NMSOTC opinio is correct and Artesia is seeded #2, then they will either play the #7 or #10 seed, which rigt since Goddard is rated #7 and Esanola #10, whoever wins this game will take on Artesia. If this is correct then Artesia will probably play Goddard. Goddard will more than likely eliminate Espanola. I just hope it takes place in Roswell. Goddard fans don't want to attend a game in Espanola. Besides I will be in that part of the country and attend the game. Just having a little fun on this cold Saturday morning in Rio Rancho.
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Nov 7, 2015 11:16:32 GMT -7
Post by Agent Orange on Nov 7, 2015 11:16:32 GMT -7
yeah at 8:30 tonight, and it is chilly down south too.
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Post by crispysdad on Nov 7, 2015 11:29:09 GMT -7
All I know is what I heard on the radio during the short drive home from Bulldog Bowl last night after the game......If Artesia plays Centennial for the state title, the game WILL be played at the Field Of Dreams in Cruces, regardless of the fact that Artesia and Centennial have never met in the playoffs (should be a coin flip). All because Centennial has a #1 seed and we will be a #2 seed. So now we are at the mercy of the seeding committee? They can determine who gets home field, all based on their ill formed perceptions of who SHOULD be seeded where? Who comes up with this crap? If 2 teams have never met, then there should be a coin flip! Not...."Well, I think Centennial is a couple of points better than Artesia so they will play at the Field of Dreams". What kind of crap is that??? Sorry Randall, but that's the way I feel.
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Post by ike123 on Nov 7, 2015 12:20:44 GMT -7
If Im not mistaken, this is correct. Artesia will have to travel to Las Cruces to play Centennial so they meet in the semi-final or championship game because there is no previous games between the two teams. I believe they have eliminated the coin flip used in the past and now refer to the higher seed when this scenario arises. In my opinion it makes sense. I believe Artesia would have been the number 1 seed should they have been undefeated. I have a quick question regarding Jesse Gallegos? Is he hurt and not playing anymore this season. I expected to hear big things from this year but I know he started the season hurt? I believe it was clarified on the other post, Artesia did not look dominating last night, was it because of the use of younger players? ? I would be surprised if Artesia doesn't win another championship. Looks like Centennial's achilles heel is defending the pass. Should favor Artesia heavily, although Artesia will need to stop the running attack of Centennial.
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Nov 7, 2015 12:24:32 GMT -7
Post by Agent Orange on Nov 7, 2015 12:24:32 GMT -7
wow I didn't know that.
This is only because we haven't played before though right? otherwise it's still based of who traveled where last?
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Post by ike123 on Nov 7, 2015 12:43:25 GMT -7
wow I didn't know that. This is only because we haven't played before though right? otherwise it's still based of who traveled where last? yes this is only because there is no history, otherwise, they will refer to past history games. any input from my other questions or comments? or is that information regarding gallegos confidential, which i totally understand if so.
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Nov 7, 2015 12:48:26 GMT -7
Post by Agent Orange on Nov 7, 2015 12:48:26 GMT -7
I have no idea on Gallegos, on the radio they said he's still nursing an injury. To me that gives hope that he maybe able to return again, but no inside info that i've seen or heard.
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Nov 7, 2015 13:46:48 GMT -7
Post by gitrdone on Nov 7, 2015 13:46:48 GMT -7
All I know is what I heard on the radio during the short drive home from Bulldog Bowl last night after the game......If Artesia plays Centennial for the state title, the game WILL be played at the Field Of Dreams in Cruces, regardless of the fact that Artesia and Centennial have never met in the playoffs (should be a coin flip). All because Centennial has a #1 seed and we will be a #2 seed. So now we are at the mercy of the seeding committee? They can determine who gets home field, all based on their ill formed perceptions of who SHOULD be seeded where? Who comes up with this crap? If 2 teams have never met, then there should be a coin flip! I was just over on NMPreps asking about this. According to Kyle H. It was changed at one of the last NMAA sessions. I don't like it.
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Post by Rick on Nov 7, 2015 14:26:58 GMT -7
I admit I'm no fan of the seeding format. Never have been, regardless of sport or classification of play.
That said, will the NMMA's seeding committee take into account which teams Centennial (and Artesia) have played this year? Common opponents? Comparative scores?
It should. But I bet anything the group will look at Centennial being unbeaten and Artesia having one loss.
I much prefer the old system, where each district's champion and runner-up made the playoffs, and two teams from the same district were in different sides of the bracket so they could only meet for the state title.
And if you've never met in the playoffs before, you flipped a coin.
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Nov 7, 2015 15:17:17 GMT -7
Post by crispysdad on Nov 7, 2015 15:17:17 GMT -7
wow I didn't know that. This is only because we haven't played before though right? otherwise it's still based of who traveled where last? yes this is only because there is no history, otherwise, they will refer to past history games. any input from my other questions or comments? or is that information regarding gallegos confidential, which i totally understand if so. OH...OK! Glad to hear that! I was under the assumption that past history games were completely and totally out the window from here on out. The post-game show that I mentioned earlier did NOT say that past history games were out the window, that is just the assumption that I wrongly made. Thanks!
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Post by Ike123 on Nov 7, 2015 15:21:58 GMT -7
I admit I'm no fan of the seeding format. Never have been, regardless of sport or classification of play.
That said, will the NMMA's seeding committee take into account which teams Centennial (and Artesia) have played this year? Common opponents? Comparative scores?
It should. But I bet anything the group will look at Centennial being unbeaten and Artesia having one loss.
I much prefer the old system, where each district's champion and runner-up made the playoffs, and two teams from the same district were in different sides of the bracket so they could only meet for the state title.
And if you've never met in the playoffs before, you flipped a coin.
Again, just my opinion on this topic, but I believe this year Artesia actually ends up on the short hand of things as they'll probably get the 2nd seed. Not to be argumentive but if you want compare Artesia and Centennial based on comparative score, etc., I still feel Artesia gets the 2md seed because of the loss to Las Cruces regardless of who didn't play in that game. I do feel your leaning that Artesia plays a tougher schedule which I feel you have a legit argument. I hope the committee see it this way but unlikely. I think it all comes down to the Las Cruces High game final score. Remember, Las Cruces was beating Centennial at half I believe 35 or 28-7. I definitely wished Artesia would someone get that game at home because we all know how tough they are at home. I feel this year is a rare situation where Artesia shouldn't get a ranking higher than a Centennial team that is undefeated. Most years there are a few schools that go undefeated that probably have no business being ranked 1 or 2. Again, just adding my 2 cents. I like getting on the forum and looking at updated discussion with all of you who posts regularly.
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Nov 7, 2015 15:34:02 GMT -7
Post by bdogfan on Nov 7, 2015 15:34:02 GMT -7
So Las Cruces was beating Centennial at half? What happened? Ocampo is a "dangerous" and excellent coach, I know Cooper hasn't beaten him yet. I hope it is Artesia and Centennial they deserve to be there and I hope Artesia takes it to Centennial.
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Nov 7, 2015 15:42:45 GMT -7
Post by Ike123 on Nov 7, 2015 15:42:45 GMT -7
So Las Cruces was beating Centennial at half? What happened? Ocampo is a "dangerous" and excellent coach, I know Cooper hasn't beaten him yet. I hope it is Artesia and Centennial they deserve to be there and I hope Artesia takes it to Centennial. I'm not sure what happened in the 2nd half of that game. I saw a post on LCHS Facebook that they were up big at half. I've heard from several people who know football in the this city that Centennial and Las Cruces are comparable teams. Some say Las Cruces actually has better personnel. I'll be surprised if Artesia doesn't find a way to win the championship. They seem to always find a way when they have the personnel to do it.
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Nov 7, 2015 17:29:09 GMT -7
Post by Agent Orange on Nov 7, 2015 17:29:09 GMT -7
Centennial ScheduleArtesia ScheduleWe had a way better margin against Belen, pretty close against Valencia. I think we had a slightly tougher schedule, but I can't see us getting the #1 seed over them, the Las Cruces loss will be the difference, it we were both undefeated I think we might have gotten it over them.
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Post by bdogfan on Nov 7, 2015 17:38:12 GMT -7
Yes, I think Artesia had a tougher schedule.
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Nov 7, 2015 19:33:54 GMT -7
Post by Jades on Nov 7, 2015 19:33:54 GMT -7
The new coin flip stream changes apply to the semi and finals and now a quarterfinal game played in Artesia no longer counts in a semifinal or final calculation meaning like the team we played in the bowl last year, I think PV does not count if we match up with them in the semis or finals. It would go back to the last time we played them in the semis or finals only. This part of the rule is a good change
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Nov 7, 2015 19:41:42 GMT -7
Post by Rick on Nov 7, 2015 19:41:42 GMT -7
Some good points being made here. I know the NMAA went to the seeding format some years ago, but does anybody recall w-h-y the change was made? Did some member schools decide there was something wrong with the previous format?
Just curious . . .
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Nov 7, 2015 20:53:16 GMT -7
Post by Agent Orange on Nov 7, 2015 20:53:16 GMT -7
waiting on these brackets, come on hurry up.
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Nov 7, 2015 21:11:01 GMT -7
Post by Agent Orange on Nov 7, 2015 21:11:01 GMT -7
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Nov 7, 2015 21:19:54 GMT -7
Post by Jades on Nov 7, 2015 21:19:54 GMT -7
Some good points being made here. I know the NMAA went to the seeding format some years ago, but does anybody recall w-h-y the change was made? Did some member schools decide there was something wrong with the previous format?
Just curious . . .
If I remember right , the thought was they would be able to get the two best teams in the championship game because in theory number 1 and two would be on opposite sides of the bracket. pRoblem is in my opinion, politics and human feelings get involved and we don't get a good seeding! There were years when Goddard and Artesia were the best two teams but we had 4 straight years of Goddard Artesia state games and the north was sick of it so it did not get seeded that way, they made sure we would play in the semis instead if the finals! iTs too subjective and they do not take strength of schedule seriously
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