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Post by Agent Orange on Oct 29, 2018 15:58:58 GMT -7
 It's the regular season finale Friday night in Alamogordo. Artesia (5-4) at Alamogordo (1-8) Link to Alamogordo schedule and scores Alamogordo Tigers ScheduleSo a lot of other things going on around this game, the district crown still to be determined. Artesia defeated Roswell, Goddard Defeats Artesia, and now Roswell plays Goddard this week. For Artesia to claim the district Crown we need to win this game obviously, and definitely need Roswell to defeat Goddard. Which then makes it a 3 way tie between the teams and it comes down to points. I'll post that information here from the NMAA website.  |
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Post by Agent Orange on Oct 29, 2018 16:04:36 GMT -7
I think I have this right, if anyone has any other insight please post it. It all becomes a mute point though if Goddard wins, they will claim district and #1 overall seed.
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Post by #31 in the bag on Oct 29, 2018 19:43:41 GMT -7
Point spread, as of 2 games played, for tie breakers I think is as follows
Goddard +16 (vs Alamo +13, vs Artesia +3)
Roswell +12 (vs Artesia -1, vs Alamo +13)
Artesia -2 (vs Roswell +1, vs Goddard -3)
Alamogordo -26 (vs Goddard -13, vs Roswell-13)
Maximum points for a game is +13. Since Goddard and Roswell have played Alamogordo that’s why there is such a big difference. Should even out with the game Friday but chances of Artesia winning district not looking so good when it comes to the tie breakers. Winning district might be a goal of all of these teams but not the main goal. It’s going to be fun these coming weeks.
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Post by #31 in the bag on Oct 29, 2018 19:49:07 GMT -7
Actually reading the bylaws again a tie in district the point spread is used from the games played by the tied teams. So the Alamo spread goes out the door unless the point spread is tied between the tied teams. Confused yet?
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Post by bdogfan on Oct 29, 2018 19:53:09 GMT -7
I hope #31 is really in the bag. I understand Trent may be out for the season. That leaves Clay Houghtling and the sophomore lefty as QB. I really like the way Trent can pass and Clay is an excellent receiver and hard to tackle once he catches the ball. Go dogs beat Alamogordo. Don't take them lightly....
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Post by Agent Orange on Oct 29, 2018 20:35:05 GMT -7
Point spread, as of 2 games played, for tie breakers I think is as follows Goddard +16 (vs Alamo +13, vs Artesia +3) Roswell +12 (vs Artesia -1, vs Alamo +13) Artesia -2 (vs Roswell +1, vs Goddard -3) Alamogordo -26 (vs Goddard -13, vs Roswell-13) Maximum points for a game is +13. Since Goddard and Roswell have played Alamogordo that’s why there is such a big difference. Should even out with the game Friday but chances of Artesia winning district not looking so good when it comes to the tie breakers. Winning district might be a goal of all of these teams but not the main goal. It’s going to be fun these coming weeks. This helps, thanks. So toss out the Alamo game for now unless for some reason all of us are tied after points spread then they will figure the Alamo game. So as it stands, still need to figure Roswell vs Goddard once it happens Goddard 3 Roswell -1 Artesia -2 We need Roswell to win but since we only beat them by 1 point, it's mathematically impossible to expect them to win over Goddard and us leap frog Roswell in points then to win district, for us to win we needed a bigger point spread against roswell, no way to pass them and Goddard for points if Roswell wins. If I'm following you right on this, Looks like best we could do is 2nd in District? which seems most likely, chance to finish 3rd but seems less likely. If either team won by a Touchdown, Artesia #2. If Roswell wins by 3, then Artesia finishes 3rd in District. Hopefully that makes sense to everyone. |
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Post by bdogfan on Oct 29, 2018 21:01:03 GMT -7
Huh? I know math helped me through my GRE...but I left it back there at TTU. LOL. Anyway go dogs beat Alamogordo....
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Post by Agent Orange on Oct 30, 2018 7:12:24 GMT -7
Basically there is no math on this earth that can get us to #1 in district.
Best we can do is #2 which seems likely, chance to finish #3rd if Roswell wins by a slim margin of 5 points or less, wouldn't be enough points to push goddard below us in point spread. Almost be best to root for Goddard so we are guaranteed 2nd in district, if you root for Roswell better hope they win by 6 or more since, so goddard can be at -3 in point spread system.
Does that help?
or did your brain explode now lol
If I understand it right this is how its going to be, can someone else confirm it?
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Post by Agent Orange on Oct 30, 2018 7:42:30 GMT -7
If Goddard and Roswell tie, we are 3rd as well in that scenario.
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Post by Tal1114 on Oct 30, 2018 8:38:02 GMT -7
As much as it pains me to say it, we need Goddard to win so we can have finish #2 in district. If we finish 3rd, we may end up with a 5-6 seed for state playoffs.
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Post by #31 in the bag on Oct 30, 2018 11:33:13 GMT -7
Basically there is no math on this earth that can get us to #1 in district. Best we can do is #2 which seems likely, chance to finish #3rd if Roswell wins by a slim margin of 5 points or less, wouldn't be enough points to push goddard below us in point spread. Almost be best to root for Goddard so we are guaranteed 2nd in district, if you root for Roswell better hope they win by 6 or more since, so goddard can be at -3 in point spread system. Does that help? or did your brain explode now lol If I understand it right this is how its going to be, can someone else confirm it? Yes this is correct. Mathematically there is no way for Artesia to win district with the tiebreakers. I think that the tie breakers are only used to determine who wins district. So if there is a tie for 2nd it wouldn't matter, but I'm sure, or I should say I hope, that the seeding committee would take into account who won head to head and give that team the higher seed in the playoffs. |
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Post by bigkdad on Oct 30, 2018 12:01:46 GMT -7
I have been saying that the 3rd place team in our district may drop out of the top 4. We need Goddard to win. I think we will be the #2 seed if that happens. It goes without saying we need to win this week. Seeding really does not matter too much to me but a top 4 gets you a week off. Might help to get some people healed up. No matter what happens we will probably face Goddard and Roswell again in the quest for # 31. Should be fun watching it play out. After this week the 3rd season begins. Win or Go Home. Go Dogs! Take State..
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Post by Agent Orange on Nov 2, 2018 21:09:44 GMT -7
Artesia wins 55-13.
Roswell defeats Goddard 24-21. so for distrcit it's Roswell #1, Goddard #2, Artesia #3
Playoff seeds will come out tomorrow.
I believe Artesia will be a #3 or #4 seed, really either way it won't matter too much in my opinion.
Playoffs should be interesting, you got 3 strong teams from this district any of them could be the state champion. I believe the slug fest will continue deep into the playoffs.
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Post by dognation on Nov 3, 2018 4:30:20 GMT -7
Artesia wins 55-13. Roswell defeats Goddard 24-21. so for distrcit it's Roswell #1, Goddard #2, Artesia #3Playoff seeds will come out tomorrow. I believe Artesia will be a #3 or #4 seed, really either way it won't matter too much in my opinion. Playoffs should be interesting, you got 3 strong teams from this district any of them could be the state champion. I believe the slug fest will continue deep into the playoffs. So we finish #3 in district.......just one position away from last place. Can anybod remeber the last time this happened. I can't! I remember finishing 2nd to Goddard a few times, but never 3rd in district. And let's not lie to ourselves, the probelm has been on the defience. Seems like the departure of Coach Jeff Willing ham ahd a bigger impact than anybody anticipated. If we are going to make a deep run into the playoffs, much less take state then our defence is going to have to step it up s a notch. Do we even have a defensive cordinater since Wilingham left, or is the head coach running evertthing? |
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Post by bigkdad on Nov 3, 2018 8:03:56 GMT -7
Totally disagree with you dognation. Artesia does not win many games when we score less than 35 points. Go back and look at our record since Cooper Henderson came here. Our defense has not changed much in the past 20+ years. 4 stops and 35 points win most games. Yes we had trouble stopping Goddards QB. He is a beast and he played the game of the year against us. But we had the ball with 6 minutes to go in a tie game and did not score. I think if you look back on this year you will find that we lost every game we scored less than 35. Tough schedule and little things have been the difference in every game. Penalties, turnovers, blocked punts have been the difference in the games. Injuries have played a big role in our O-Line play. A starting QB being injured had a big impact on our losses. Clay is a great player but we are a better team when he is at receiver and Trent is throwing to him and the other receivers.
Bottom line is we need to play better on offense, defense and special teams. Fewer penalties and taking advantage of every opportunity. Our defense will give up some points and yardage, bend but don’t break. But if we are to be successful we must score on offense to win. By the way we do have a defensive coordinator his name is Stephen Johnston. He is doing a great job just like all of the rest of our Coaches. You also need to remember that we have won 30 state championships with different coaches and players over the years. I have no doubt if everyone does their job we can bring home #31.
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Post by Agent Orange on Nov 3, 2018 10:11:40 GMT -7
Artesia wins 55-13. Roswell defeats Goddard 24-21. so for distrcit it's Roswell #1, Goddard #2, Artesia #3Playoff seeds will come out tomorrow. I believe Artesia will be a #3 or #4 seed, really either way it won't matter too much in my opinion. Playoffs should be interesting, you got 3 strong teams from this district any of them could be the state champion. I believe the slug fest will continue deep into the playoffs. So we finish #3 in district.......just one position away from last place. Can anybod remeber the last time this happened. I can't! I remember finishing 2nd to Goddard a few times, but never 3rd in district. And let's not lie to ourselves, the probelm has been on the defience. Seems like the departure of Coach Jeff Willing ham ahd a bigger impact than anybody anticipated. If we are going to make a deep run into the playoffs, much less take state then our defence is going to have to step it up s a notch. Do we even have a defensive cordinater since Wilingham left, or is the head coach running evertthing? Got to relax a bit dognation, yes it's been awhile since we finished 3rd in district, but we lost the 1 game by 3 points however and a point spread system put us at 3rd. I don't think anyone underestimated the loss of willingham, we knew what we had in him, long time coach here that got results the loss of him going to be felt to an extent somewhere. Got to be a little more patient though, new defensive coach, give him time to learn and grow himself. Like bigk said we had our chances that game we did not score to take the lead in the 4th, would I like to have seen more stops? yes definitely but the last half of the season about to start, I think we can do better next time, I hope to see us get another shot at it. Not trying to be a sunshine pumper lol but just hang in there give it some more time. |
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Post by bdogfan on Nov 3, 2018 14:36:59 GMT -7
Not just Willingham but also Cooper. I understand Cooper coached the sophomores. He did a good job with Cord, the lefty QB. Hope he turns out like Eulanbach.
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Post by Erik on Nov 3, 2018 17:03:37 GMT -7
I don't know if it's been said already but one thing the coaches need to work on is time management. It feels like they think it's a sin to use a timeout. This goes backs years too, not just recently. Time management and time out usage (or lack of) has been horrendous.
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Post by bigkdad on Nov 3, 2018 17:22:14 GMT -7
Eulenbach was a good QB but he moved to Texas his senior year. Cooper has been Coaching the Sophomores ever since he stepped down as head coach. Does a great job developing players. We are blessed with good coaches past and present. As Charliedog says “ Tradition never graduates “ Go Dogs! Take State....
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