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Post by crispysdad on Nov 25, 2018 20:30:20 GMT -7
IF IT IS TRUE? You post this B.S. on the website and you don’t even know if it is true. You are passing judgement on something you know little about. You talk about work ethic and what walked out the door when Willingham left. I know Willingham is a great Coach he coached both of my sons. But he quit, made a parallel move to a program that has not won a state championship since 1962. We are still Artesia. We have a off-season program, we have 95% of the staff that won a state championship last year and made the semi-finals this year. One thing I know for sure Rex Henderson and his staff will work their butts off to keep the tradition alive. Artesia will win another State Championship, probably before Coach Willingham, his offseason weight program and the Carlsbad Cavemen win district. Count your blessings. It’s great to be a Bulldog! I didn't post it, I quoted it and responded to it! And....I never mentioned Willingham! You have me confused with somebody else.
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Post by bigkdad on Nov 26, 2018 5:59:21 GMT -7
My bad crispydad. You quoted it, responded to it and never mentioned Willingham. I am just trying to make the point that there are a lot of factors to not winning a state championship. Blaming it all on Coaching is something that isn’t going to help the program in the future. I did not quote it I responded to it. Just like everyone else on this board this is my opinion.
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Post by sevenjrs on Nov 26, 2018 7:06:37 GMT -7
and I’m sure they did- if they realize it now or not! But kids aren’t stupid, they know that our starting cornerback was pulled from the game on the final drive.... the backup was targeted on both final plays! Tough pill to swallow for seniors. Coaches can say..... oops, my bad! We’ll get em next year! That’s not the case for all the players! I heard this as well from the Father of one of the players.He said his son would not elaborate on why. I will always give credit where credit is due and the Bulldog coaches for the most part do a great job with the players, but they can and do make mistakes. Some mistakes do not affect the outcome of the game,,,but some are HUGE. Case in point, during the final drive in the State game against St Pius our cornerback was unjustly blamed for "Being out of position" when the ensueing play won the game for St Pius. I will say this,,,,even the pros are NOT allowed to "pick" the position they choose to defend the play,,much less a High School Player. HIS COACH placed him at that position within the defensive scheme called for prior to the snap, give credit where credit is due. One other thing I have always wondered about,,,"IF" we have a kicker that can put it in the endzone,,,WHY do we kick the dang ball to the 30 yard line, giving other teams great field position, OR chance them running it all the way back?
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Post by bigkdad on Nov 26, 2018 8:59:13 GMT -7
Just curious sevenjrs. How many State Championships teams have you coached? Also never heard any coach say oops my bad! We’ll get em next year! As for the St. Pius game (2015) we lost by 10 points so an “out of position” cornerback is not the only reason we lost that game. As for “ I always give credit where credit is due”, still waiting for that. Hope you get it all worked out before next season sounds like you are on the right track....
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Post by Rocket Dad on Nov 26, 2018 11:24:48 GMT -7
I tell you guys what, let’s trade coaches. You can have Chris White and his comedy staff and we will take your part-time working staff. I know White works long hours, which makes no sense because they run the same crap over and over. I’m sorry, I forgot who I was complaining to. You guys already know this from personal experience in district play. However, I would still take Rex over White. At least you guys hung toe-to-toe with Roswell. Unlike White…he just flat out got his ass OUT COACHED!!! It’s time for him and his swiping at the victory formation, when we are down 21 points, to go. He is an idiot who claims…”We don’t quit til the last second and we don’t kneel for nobody”. He needs to carry that never quit attitude into the film room and scheme up some more plays so we aren’t so vanilla. He couldn’t even open up the passing game because he doesn’t have one. Sorry Bulldog fans, I am just so irritated with White and his staff. We were outcoached and out stupidity was exposed Saturday afternoon to a well-coached team. Everyone thinks that White is turning around the program because he had a good season. The fact of the matter is that he has a very talented group of kids and those players have carried him all season, playing a watered down schedule. Had we had a quality coach, we would be playing Roswell in the state game. But we aren’t because our coach is an idiot. I know White or his staff checks these boards and I hope that he still realizes that people within his program are ready for him to go. A year ago a petition was started by his own players to get rid of him and a science teacher who is a close friend to his wife caught wind and told White. He immediately kicked those players out of his program. The players and parents were afraid to move forward with it and left it alone. It’s time for White to go!!! There are so many who dislike him as a coach and a leader. There are many of us Goddard fans who dislike him as a head coach. As long as we stay silent he will remain. We need to speak up and pack his bags. He is an assistance coach AT BEST. Too bad administration at RISD don’t have the balls to let him go.
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Post by bulldogbooster45 on Nov 26, 2018 13:17:48 GMT -7
Some of you guys need to pump the breaks on the accusations your throwing around. These coaches work their asses off. Period! And the pay isn’t great! Your barking up the wrong tree here. How about I come to your job and question your work ethic? There would be a fist fight! I agree with ol Rocketman. I’ll take these coaches over any in our state. We got a young staff. It’s going to be nice to see them grow. As far as the personnel that was on the field the last play, there is no valid arguments when people miss tackles. I don’t agree with every play called, but I’m not the coach either. I bitch and moan sometimes but then I get to go home and forget about it. We aren’t gonna win them all but we definitely will give it hell each year.
If your worried about the future of this program, you need to start encouraging the kids from age 10 and up. A lot of our youth coming up has issues will selling out for a program, team mates and a city especially when they see back lash like this. There is a ton of individualism developing in the youth today. It’s tuff to keep a program going with what’s going on.
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Post by BigDaddyCool on Nov 26, 2018 21:49:02 GMT -7
I believe that the game is still up for viewing at ksvptv.com.......I haven't checked, but no reason to believe that it is not because they always have been up at least a few days after the game. QUESTION.....does anybody know which quarter...and within a few minutes.......when that blocked punt happened. I would like to look at that play again, I saw it when it happened and I still can't believe the officials ruling on that play. We were flagged for a false start but the play continues and the punt is blocked......then the officials give Roswell the option to decline the penalty and take possession of the ball. Did that really happen? im pretty sure the penalty was for illegal formation It was an illegal formation. Notice the official with his left hand pointing inside, away from the LOS. This is saying that the split is off the LOS. That is illegal proceduce.
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Post by Agent Orange on Nov 26, 2018 21:57:11 GMT -7
im pretty sure the penalty was for illegal formation It was an illegal formation. Notice the official with his left hand pointing inside, away from the LOS. This is saying that the split is off the LOS. That is illegal proceduce. So the play should have been stopped, 5 yard penalty on us and re-do the down right? I mean they still could have blocked it that's on us, but disappointing they just ignored the sideline judge and let the play stand as it was
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Post by BigDaddyCool on Nov 26, 2018 22:11:51 GMT -7
It was an illegal formation. Notice the official with his left hand pointing inside, away from the LOS. This is saying that the split is off the LOS. That is illegal proceduce. So the play should have been stopped, 5 yard penalty on us and re-do the down right? I mean they still could have blocked it that's on us, but disappointing they just ignored the sideline judge and let the play stand as it was No. Only on a false start will they stop play before the snap. If you dont have enough men on the LOS you can still correct your alignment before the snap of the ball. Looking at the game again I'm suprised that the official did't ask the Split if he was on or off. They normally ask you and then say "your good, move up or back up." What's crazy (and MANY don't know) is that you can also be called for having ILLEGAL FORMATION on defense. The defense cannot have more than six players on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper during kicking plays. This rule is designed to protect players who are in a vulnerable position. Violations of this rule will result in a five-yard penalty.
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Post by Agent Orange on Nov 26, 2018 22:18:32 GMT -7
ok gotcha.
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Post by sevenjrs on Nov 27, 2018 0:21:13 GMT -7
Just curious sevenjrs. How many State Championships teams have you coached? Also never heard any coach say oops my bad! We’ll get em next year! As for the St. Pius game (2015) we lost by 10 points so an “out of position” cornerback is not the only reason we lost that game. As for “ I always give credit where credit is due”, still waiting for that. Hope you get it all worked out before next season sounds like you are on the right track.... Well,,since you want to try character assassinations so be it; 1. I never alluded to having coached a State Championship team, I merely pointed out that all people can and do make mistakes, players and coaches included. Pointing this out does not mean I do not respect either participant's position. Please feel free to give the rest of us your solutions for avoiding the loss of a semi final game starting in the 3rd quarter 2. " never heard any coach say oops, my bad! We'll get em next year" WAS NOT MY statement! You did not even notice that it was a quote from some other member! 3. The "out of position cornerback" statement was taken out of context as I was just trying to defend the PLAYER, whom I do not even know, because he WAS wrongfully accused on this forum those years ago. Fact is,,I believe it all started with the sports writer from the local newspaper making such a terrible statement for the whole town to read. You have to wonder and really feel for that poor player having to carry THAT all these years. I totally agree with the statement made about less than adequate tackling, by the players, NOT being laid at the feet of the coaching staff. They can coach and coach against arm tackling during practice but,,in the heat of the game,,,,,, 4. Nothing to "work out", guy, we lost, they won, l I'm looking forward to next year!! Now,,you can go ahead and work on your aggressions,,,,,
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Post by guest50 on Nov 29, 2018 20:16:58 GMT -7
It's crazy what happens when you respond based on emotions. First off, let me say I was a fan of Willingham. But let's be real here. His loss is not as big as we think. #1, this was the best Roswell team since 2000. And since everybody here are football experts, when comparing this Roswell team to that 2000 Roswell team, across the board, from top to bottom, 2018 is head and shoulders better than that 2000 team. Yes, 2000 had Moore at running back, but that's it and their offense was vanilla, run straight at you and hope he finds a hole and breaks one. This 2018 Roswell team has a horse a running back, a QB who can throw and a playmaker in Reese and a balanced offense that can run or throw. Name another team in the past 10 years that has had this type of threat that we have faced in 5A. #2, think back when Figg took over the defense and went to a 3-4 from a 4-3. This forum blew up, hammered Figg and thought that was the worse decision ever. In 2012, ur secondary gets torched by Adam Lucero and Aztec, give up 61 points. Guess who the secondary coach was? Did we want to fire him? Fast forward a few years later, Willingham takes over the defense, and keeps the same 3-4 base defense that Figg implemented and all the sudden Willingham is a genius. Lets not forget Willinghams first year as DC, we went 4-7 (Cooper was still Head Coach as well), the worst record in 20-30 years (Not sure) Nobody was calling for his head. #3 2016, we had an extremely talented Defense that was led by Willingham. Jharyss Granger at Nose Guard, Cody Scott at D End, Miguel Martinez at Linebacker. Ortiz from St. Pius did whatever he wanted against that defense in the Semifinals. We had one stop that game (the first drive), other than that, they (Ortiz) converted several 3rd and longs and of course (Ortiz) went on to win that game. After that game, was anybody calling for Willinghams job when he couldn't stop an offense (Ortiz) with all the TALENT he had on defense? Coach Johnston and the rest of the coaches did a great job this year. ON PAPER, you ask anybody around the state (not in the ARTESIA BUBBLE) Artesia shouldn't have been close to Roswell this year. Again, like I said before, Willingham was a great DC, but there are numerous other factors that go into winning and losing other than simply being a great coach. Their is a clear bias towards Willingham here, but when we take off our bias lenses we see that everything will be okay in Bulldog country.
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Post by hitparade on Nov 30, 2018 11:41:13 GMT -7
It's crazy what happens when you respond based on emotions. First off, let me say I was a fan of Willingham. But let's be real here. His loss is not as big as we think. #1, this was the best Roswell team since 2000. And since everybody here are football experts, when comparing this Roswell team to that 2000 Roswell team, across the board, from top to bottom, 2018 is head and shoulders better than that 2000 team. Yes, 2000 had Moore at running back, but that's it and their offense was vanilla, run straight at you and hope he finds a hole and breaks one. This 2018 Roswell team has a horse a running back, a QB who can throw and a playmaker in Reese and a balanced offense that can run or throw. Name another team in the past 10 years that has had this type of threat that we have faced in 5A. #2, think back when Figg took over the defense and went to a 3-4 from a 4-3. This forum blew up, hammered Figg and thought that was the worse decision ever. In 2012, ur secondary gets torched by Adam Lucero and Aztec, give up 61 points. Guess who the secondary coach was? Did we want to fire him? Fast forward a few years later, Willingham takes over the defense, and keeps the same 3-4 base defense that Figg implemented and all the sudden Willingham is a genius. Lets not forget Willinghams first year as DC, we went 4-7 (Cooper was still Head Coach as well), the worst record in 20-30 years (Not sure) Nobody was calling for his head. #3 2016, we had an extremely talented Defense that was led by Willingham. Jharyss Granger at Nose Guard, Cody Scott at D End, Miguel Martinez at Linebacker. Ortiz from St. Pius did whatever he wanted against that defense in the Semifinals. We had one stop that game (the first drive), other than that, they (Ortiz) converted several 3rd and longs and of course (Ortiz) went on to win that game. After that game, was anybody calling for Willinghams job when he couldn't stop an offense (Ortiz) with all the TALENT he had on defense? Coach Johnston and the rest of the coaches did a great job this year. ON PAPER, you ask anybody around the state (not in the ARTESIA BUBBLE) Artesia shouldn't have been close to Roswell this year. Again, like I said before, Willingham was a great DC, but there are numerous other factors that go into winning and losing other than simply being a great coach. Their is a clear bias towards Willingham here, but when we take off our bias lenses we see that everything will be okay in Bulldog country. Let me be clear to start things off... I honestly think we have the best coaching staff in the state. Artesia has been good for a long time and I expect it will continue. I do have some small concerns in the fact that I don’t think the weight program went as well this year (agreeing with other posters on this point)- and I heard Cooper used to have a leadership program that is no longer part of the program. I’ve heard from people who have been here longer than me, that this program was very productive, but I can’t really speak on that... Truth is we have some young coaches in some new roles, and they’ll only get better! As far as the game with Roswell goes- I think overall it was a great game... and I thought Roswell was the better team in both games we played... But regardless of that, we were right there with them all the way to the end- at which point (someone?) decided to put our starting cornerback on the bench for the final drive in obvious passing situations... That just baffles me... To me, it’s the equivalent of putting in a backup quarterback for a needed game Winning drive. So really I don’t care how much better Roswell is than us, I don’t care if we were playing the Patriots- we were tied with .14 seconds left. I think most everyone would agree that this strategy is questionable!
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Post by guest50 on Nov 30, 2018 14:21:27 GMT -7
I agree, we do have the best coaching staff in the state. Why do we think the weight program has faltered? I can think of several games in past years that would lead me to believe our strength and conditioning program wasn't up to par, much more so than this year. For example, sticking with the 2012 Aztec game, their QB Lucero and their fullback(Cant remember his name) never came off the field. Both played every snap offensively and defensively. If our strength and conditioning program was so much better than this year (2018, which is what most posters opinions are), and not having any 2-way players, how did Aztec dominate us physically in the 4th quarter and overtime to win that game? Lets look at 2014 semifinals Vs. GOddard. Yes, we won the game, but if we're talking strength and conditioning, this doesn't help your argument that our weight program was much better in the past when compared to this year. THeir QB, Neff, again, never came off the field. He played QB and I believe he was their safety. We dominated them in the 1st half, but come the second half, they completely manhandled us and were one onside kick away from possibly winning that game. I can remember one touched Neff scored in the 4th quarter. He had broken several tackles and carried another into the endzone who was actually horsecollaring (if that a word) him. Talk about questioning your strength and conditioning. So just curious, why are we now questioning our strength and conditioning? As far as the leadership program, you are misinformed. That program is still in place. I know this for a fact after talking with some of the kids earlier in the year. I asked a few of them why we are wearing so much grey. They told me the Senior Leadership group are the ones who choose what color shoes and socks they wear. As for the last drive of the game, the corner was in great position on the first pass. It was a great adjustment by the receiver and an even better catch. ON the last play of the game, if you know anything about football, our secondary was in a 3 deep zone. That means the corner has to stay on top of the last receiver on his side. The corner did do that, it was an underneath pass, it had nothing to do with the corner. Also, I hate to bring this up because the players played their tails off and fought until the end, but there were three missed tackles. On the last play of the game, you want to cover the endzone and give them the underneath throw and just make the tackle. I don't know how this all falls on one player not being on the field.
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Post by AHS95 on Dec 1, 2018 9:23:45 GMT -7
I went back and counted the win streak against Roswell high the Bulldogs had and holy crap 20 straight wins before they finally eeked out a win. That’s a freaking long time. I’d say the coyotes were due for a win lol.
Hope today’s game is hard fought and penaltiy free. Let the compete with class and win or loose know that both teams on that 5A championship game deserve that chance today.
God give them protection from injury and grace under fire. Grant safe travels for all of those to and from the game. In Jesus name I pray.
Amen
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Post by bdogfan on Dec 1, 2018 10:09:21 GMT -7
Meanwhile may a former Artesia Bulldog and Los Lunas beat Roswell
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Post by hitparade on Dec 1, 2018 11:34:07 GMT -7
Strength and conditioning, I guess will always be a matter of opinion.... I got more information on the senior leadership program.... Under Cooper they met once a week, under Rex they meet twice per year.... So I’m guessing the program isn’t quite as beneficial these days! Watch the play again.... really only one player had a legitimate shot at the tackle, which was the first defender there -the LB was giving chase from the inside and made an effort diving for the receiver- one safety was being blocked and did a good job getting off the block to even have a chance at the tackle- the last safety met the receiver at the goal line anyway...
And I’m assuming your joking that one player doesn’t make a difference?
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Post by bdogfan on Dec 1, 2018 12:27:40 GMT -7
Twice per year? You're joking right?
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Post by blackshirts45 on Dec 1, 2018 13:08:01 GMT -7
I'm a Roswell grad, but I have a great deal of respect for the Artesia program. From a casual outsider's perspective it looked like Artesia had a down year (by Artesia standards). I can't speak to coaching or conditioning problems, but I thought the kids fought hard all year. I think the kids and coaches should be commended for the improvement made after a rough start to the season. Even a down Artesia team could have won State. Two championship appearances and one State championship in three years is nothing to scoff at.
Go Coyotes. Best of luck to y'all
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Post by Agent Orange on Dec 1, 2018 13:57:12 GMT -7
looks like roswell well on their way to the title. 29-0
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