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Post by bdogfan on Oct 5, 2019 19:19:59 GMT -7
TW Harvey was an awesome coach. I understand he was better than average. He emphasized defense
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 6:18:07 GMT -7
You can scheme all you want and make adjustments all you want but the talent level on defense vs offense isn't in the same ball park. It's why colleges recruit and the NFL has a draft... High Schools don't have that luxury and until some of those kids on offense play defense, it's not getting fixed.
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Post by Twins23dad on Oct 7, 2019 9:42:29 GMT -7
I live in Texas and my sons go to a 6A high school. We have a 5 star recruit who goes both ways. We historically have 1-2 kids each year who start on one side of the ball and either occasionally play on the other side of the ball or in fact go both ways. I see this on many of the top level 6A texas teams. You see it in college and even the NFL ( see NE Patriots ) occasionally.
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Post by bdogfan on Oct 7, 2019 13:08:19 GMT -7
Chances are it won't happen in Artesia.
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Post by hitparade on Oct 8, 2019 7:58:21 GMT -7
“Nobody” is correct the talent always favors the offense - probably more so this year than in years past.
Ive always been a believer in letting your best go both ways, However the two platoon system Artesia uses does have some big advantages. In particular the obvious is conditioning in the 4th qtr, but the biggest advantage has to be “game adjustments.” Other teams have to wait to halftime to make adjustments. Artesia can do it between every single possession, on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately I’m not real sure defensive adjustments are being made (at all).
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Post by bigkdad on Oct 8, 2019 10:45:13 GMT -7
Won’t pretend I know anything about Coaching or offensive and defensive schemes. The program has 30 State Championships totally without my input. It does however drive me crazy at times when we seem to have players 2 & 3 deep playing 1/3 of a game on offense when it looks to me like they might could play defense. This year is the first time in a long time I have seen a back-up QB play defense.
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Oct 9, 2019 5:57:23 GMT -7
I agree with parts of both of these arguments. I will tell you that those astronomical participation numbers Artesia has for a school it's size are due in large part to the two platoon system. The biggest point I think I agree with is that the current system is not likely to change in T town.
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Post by crispysdad on Oct 9, 2019 15:59:24 GMT -7
I agree with parts of both of these arguments. I will tell you that those astronomical participation numbers Artesia has for a school it's size are due in large part to the two platoon system. The biggest point I think I agree with is that the current system is not likely to change in T town. Just wondering if Andrews runs a complete 2-platoon system, or do y'all run at least a couple of players both ways. Also wondering how Andrews' participation numbers compare to Artesia. And no....I have absolutely no idea what Artesia's numbers are, lol. You probably know more about that than I do......what with your contacts and all. Just curious. But yes, I do remember those "good ol' days" back in the 1970s when our starting QB was also a starting DB on defense. Jeff Davis comes to mind. |
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Oct 10, 2019 3:20:32 GMT -7
I agree with parts of both of these arguments. I will tell you that those astronomical participation numbers Artesia has for a school it's size are due in large part to the two platoon system. The biggest point I think I agree with is that the current system is not likely to change in T town. Just wondering if Andrews runs a complete 2-platoon system, or do y'all run at least a couple of players both ways. Also wondering how Andrews' participation numbers compare to Artesia. And no....I have absolutely no idea what Artesia's numbers are, lol. You probably know more about that than I do......what with your contacts and all. Just curious. But yes, I do remember those "good ol' days" back in the 1970s when our starting QB was also a starting DB on defense. Jeff Davis comes to mind. Andrews is quite a bit larger than Artesia. Our participation is not as good as the last numbers I heard for Artesia. No one's are. So, 2 of our defensive backs are receivers. Both ILB's trade off at RB. A DT starts on the OL, a Defensive end starts at OT and the other D End starts at receiver. So basically, 6 go both ways. This is a topic that is discussed frequently. I see both sides of this argument. We have an incredible strength and off-season program. I truly think it is the best in the Permian basin. I think Artesia lost that with Willingham's exit. Not calling anyone out. Willingham's work ethic in the off-season, as well as in-season, was second to no one. I've sat and talked football with Coach Johnston. I respect him as a coach and as a person. Not calling him, or anyone else out. |
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Post by sevenjrs on Oct 10, 2019 9:01:32 GMT -7
I too hated to see Mr Willingham leave,,,,but I also hated to see Mr Worley Leave Even More,!! AND some other great DC's throughout the years as well. The problem may be that the school system does not allow for "extra" dollars specificaly for those DC's designated by the head coach as valuable enough to forever keep them here. I was a Quarterback Club member for 14 years and I know, depending on the success of the year, that the Head Coach was made "glad" to have been a part of the team. Possibly other organizations as well. I don't remember the DC ever been mentioned in those discussions. SO,,those "good" coaches that took all those extra, after hours spent pushing themselves AND their defensive players Know they weren't appreciated like the head coach was. Let's not kid ourselves that all the other coaches are not aware about the Extras the head coaches get at end of a successful year.Most of those great coaches KNOW they have something valuable to sell and will move on regardless as they search for that permanent dream job at a great school with a successful long term football history,,,kinda like Artesia,,,,,
As much as I admired Coach Cooper Henderson, I felt his selection of his nephew was not a good choice. Rex seems to be too narrow minded and tunnel visioned as evidenced by the lack of the ability of the defense to adjust and correct the mistakes we are STILL seeing since day one.
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Post by bdogfan on Oct 10, 2019 9:59:55 GMT -7
"Lazy "
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Post by Jades on Oct 11, 2019 9:55:23 GMT -7
I too hated to see Mr Willingham leave,,,,but I also hated to see Mr Worley Leave Even More,!! AND some other great DC's throughout the years as well. The problem may be that the school system does not allow for "extra" dollars specificaly for those DC's designated by the head coach as valuable enough to forever keep them here. I was a Quarterback Club member for 14 years and I know, depending on the success of the year, that the Head Coach was made "glad" to have been a part of the team. Possibly other organizations as well. I don't remember the DC ever been mentioned in those discussions. SO,,those "good" coaches that took all those extra, after hours spent pushing themselves AND their defensive players Know they weren't appreciated like the head coach was. Let's not kid ourselves that all the other coaches are not aware about the Extras the head coaches get at end of a successful year.Most of those great coaches KNOW they have something valuable to sell and will move on regardless as they search for that permanent dream job at a great school with a successful long term football history,,,kinda like Artesia,,,,, As much as I admired Coach Cooper Henderson, I felt his selection of his nephew was not a good choice. Rex seems to be too narrow minded and tunnel visioned as evidenced by the lack of the ability of the defense to adjust and correct the mistakes we are STILL seeing since day one. I don’t think your post is accurate in a couple of places. I was VP of the QB Club VP and all of the coaches are “appreciated” maybe to varying levels but all, not just the head coach. Second there was a committee appointed to hire Coach Rex Henderson and Cooper was not on that committee. I am sure Cooper was asked for his opinion but he did not make the decision. |
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Post by Rapid on Oct 11, 2019 10:03:48 GMT -7
I agree with the 4 down defense. I think it's been more successful Our 74,75 defense teams ran the 4 down defense. Hey Randall can you post all those pics I post on my facebook wall on here. You can see our linebackers playing up close against st. pius x offense. Thanks Thank you Randall for post my pics |
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Post by sevenjrs on Oct 11, 2019 20:28:20 GMT -7
I don’t think your post is accurate in a couple of places. I was VP of the QB Club VP and all of the coaches are “appreciated” maybe to varying levels but all, not just the head coach. Second there was a committee appointed to hire Coach Rex Henderson and Cooper was not on that committee. I am sure Cooper was asked for his opinion but he did not make the decision
I do not know what years you were VP. I joined the QB club in Mike Phipp's second year and was present 3 different end of year meetings when the discussion turned to this subject and while the other coaches may have been discussed at some other times,,they were NOT discussed at those meetings. If you did it differently when you were VP, then I commend you!
''I am sure Cooper was asked for his opinion but he did not make the decision""
I am also sure that if Cooper wanted Rex,,,Rex was gonna get hired.
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Post by Jades on Oct 12, 2019 13:58:29 GMT -7
I don’t think your post is accurate in a couple of places. I was VP of the QB Club VP and all of the coaches are “appreciated” maybe to varying levels but all, not just the head coach. Second there was a committee appointed to hire Coach Rex Henderson and Cooper was not on that committee. I am sure Cooper was asked for his opinion but he did not make the decision I do not know what years you were VP. I joined the QB club in Mike Phipp's second year and was present 3 different end of year meetings when the discussion turned to this subject and while the other coaches may have been discussed at some other times,,they were NOT discussed at those meetings. If you did it differently when you were VP, then I commend you! ''I am sure Cooper was asked for his opinion but he did not make the decision"" I am also sure that if Cooper wanted Rex,,,Rex was gonna get hired. I was VP for at least 10 years under Cooper. Raye Miller was President and it was not done as you said. I don’t get credit for that and am not taking credit for that at all. I am just saying applying that to the asst coaches under Cooper was not fair. It didn’t happen that way. I don’t believe that was the reason any of the DC left. Worley got a HC job in RR, Figg left for I don’t know why and really don’t care, I believe Willingham left for salary and what he thought was a better situation for him. I am sure only he knows the real reasons. He stayed 1 year in Carlsbad and moved again. I don’t doubt Cooper had input but who better to have input in my opinion? Look, we are right there with the top teams. Maybe we don’t win state, maybe we do, but we will have a successful season. There will be adjustments to staff if needed in the off-season. We just need to support the team right now and see what happens. |
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Post by sevenjrs on Oct 12, 2019 21:26:37 GMT -7
We just need to support the team right now and see what happens.
Oh,,I couldn't agree more,,Like most Bulldog supporters, I just wish our defense would buckle down and help the Great offense we have this year.
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