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Post by CrustyVet on Dec 2, 2022 22:38:12 GMT -7
About 7% of student athletes play college ball at any level. 2% play at the Division 1 level. High School sports is not about getting a scholarship or getting exposure on a national level. It’s about team building, relationships that last a lifetime and making good citizens. Traditions, Friday night lights, family, hometowns and rivalries. In the grand scheme of things I would rather be the smartest dumb kid with 31 State Championships than one of the 7% playing college ball. I’m as proud of those 31 state championships as anyone; however, you have to put those championships into perspective. To win a championship in NM, you really only have 1 or 2 really good teams to beat in the playoffs to win a ring, only having to win 3 playoff games. In TX, you have to go 6 rounds in the playoffs with 64 teams per classification competing for a state championship in the playoffs each year. You not only have to have great talent and coaching to win a HS football state championship in TX, but also a little luck. Rounds 2-6, you’re playing against a high caliber team each week. It’s a gauntlet. A team that makes back-to-back championship games in TX will have played in 12 playoff games in two years. My son played in 18 playoff games in 4 years of HS ball here in Tx, while I only played in 6 (2 state titles, missed playoffs in ‘95) my three years suiting up for varsity playoffs in Artesia. He essentially played two extra seasons. Big difference. To add to that, NM kids play in fewer football playoff games than most states, decreasing the amount of exposure. There are a lot of structural disadvantages for NM athletes who have dreams of playing at the D1 level. Doesn’t sound like there’s much interest in changing that, however.
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Post by dogwarden on Dec 2, 2022 22:43:52 GMT -7
Kids getting recruited out of NM has nothing to do with lack of visibility and everything to do with lack of talent. Heck, in 5a ball they are lucky to have the same 3-4 teams every year play each other to see who wins. Half the teams in the playoff couldn't beat a peewee team in TX. Think of it as being the smartest dumb kid. Just because you win doesn't make you good. There is ALWAYS a bigger Dog!! This goes for Texas too…. I remember when Euless Trinity (in the midst of their Texas dominance), lost to Bellevue, WA and also when 3x state champion Midland Lee thought they were good enough to play West Monroe, LA and got pummeled 36-8. Pretty good teams in Texas, but that didn’t make them good when they ventured outside of Texas…..
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Post by Agent Orange on Dec 3, 2022 17:14:11 GMT -7
It's all in the numbers.
New Mexico is a large state but one of the least populated, not as many teams either in the classifications. Won't apologize from where we live and play, can't control that.
We won't have as many D1 players either for that same reason, it's not for lack of talent.
Kids can get noticed from NM, you gotta go sell yourself though. Heck we had a kid from Jal go to Boise State last year. Carlsbad kid going to Arizona, just attended their camp, got an offer.
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Dec 3, 2022 18:05:48 GMT -7
It's all in the numbers. New Mexico is a large state but one of the least populated, not as many teams either in the classifications. Won't apologize from where we live and play, can't control that. We won't have as many D1 players either for that same reason, it's not for lack of talent. Kids can get noticed from NM, you gotta go sell yourself though. Heck we had a kid from Jal go to Boise State last year. Carlsbad kid going to Arizona, just attended their camp, got an offer. this is 100% correct, Extremely hard to get noticed without going to summer camps/combines
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Post by sevenjrs on Dec 3, 2022 21:11:28 GMT -7
I KNOW the first Amendment gives the "guest" terrance hill the right to speak him mind but I believe he is way out of line in lambasting what most of Bulldog faithful and supporters AND their children have believed since their kids were in grade school. It is all about TRADition in this little ole town. IF all you plan for your child is to go up the ladder ,,then maybe you ought to enroll them in Dallas schools,,see if they CAN compete with the Big Boys. Just seems totally unfair to change everything "FOR EVERYBODY" because of an implied look by the scouts? The main point here is the P-POOR service from NFHS not only once but more than once! The other negative is NMAA, NFHS "AND" the people that have FINANCIAL" interests In Albuquerque that nave NO interest in making the playoffs as even as possible for all the players, Coaches and especially the FANS. No other way to spin it. OK, I'm done,,,,😘
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Dec 4, 2022 4:45:55 GMT -7
I coach in Texas. Several years ago, our governing body sent out a question for schools. In favor of a central location, or not in favor of a central location. The vote did not go as expected. The schools overwhelmingly voted against the proposal. The governing body, let's call it the Universal Interscholastic League, saw fit to do it anyway. It was $$$$, as old dog previously stated. So it remains that way today. It's pretty cool, I've been several times, as a spectator. But it has been held in Houston on occasion. However, it is usually held in the metroplex, DFW. There has been a distinct advantage. And it's huge. The teams that have traveled the least distance to get there, have a big winning percentage, or so I'm told. You may say, "The best teams are in Dallas, it's held in the Dallas area, so they win. They would have won anyway." Not entirely true. It has been held in Houston. And, as expected, on these occasions, the Houston area teams won. It is a huge moneymaker. It's arguable whether it's in the best interest of competitive equality. IMO, New Mexico has no business hosting at a central location. There is no central, INDOOR venue for which to host. That would be tough to make sense of when, and it would happen, when 2 southern teams, (ex: Artesia vs. a Roswell school), have to travel to Albuquerque to play in 30 degree whether, when it is 70 degrees and sunny back home. Long story short, it's not broken, don't fix it.
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Post by olddog on Dec 4, 2022 9:41:27 GMT -7
I have watched playoff games at Texas Stadium. Can’t say I was thrilled as a spectator. Trinity, Southlake Carrol and other DFW area schools definitely feel like playing there or now at Jerry’s world is playing on home turf.
I can’t imagine schools like Artesia, Roswell, Carlsbad, Las Cruces or other southern schools ever feeling like playing in Albuquerque would be like playing at home.
Just tear up the NHSF contract.
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Post by Charliedog on Dec 5, 2022 7:25:52 GMT -7
My Grandson got to play at Cowboy Stadium 4 times. It was fantastic. It is a memory he will never forget. It is all FIRST CLASS. Each player and Coach has their own personalized metal plate on their locker. It has their name, school, number and date. I go every year to watch State games and love it. But NM is different. Keep it as it is. There is no Cowboy Stadium in NM that every boy in State dreams of playing in. By the way Zach also played at The Star and at Cotton Bowl.
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Post by Dog Dude on Dec 5, 2022 21:57:09 GMT -7
So how much do you think UNM and NMSU would charge to use their stadium. They won't donate them as they have a tremendous amount of overhead for the use. Security, concessions, parking attendants, concession workers.
Does the NMAA pay any money to the host school for hosting a title game? Does the school get compensated with a cut of the gate? Cheaper than paying a university for the use of their stadium.
Can the NMAA depend on a central location and guarantee fans show up in bad weather??? If the fans don't show cause of bad weather how much does the NMAA lose because it was a central location?
The UIL is worse than the NMAA. Sometimes their redistricting makes you scratch your head. I've seen some crazy districts. While I appreciate their playoff format of 64 teams there have been years that a winless team has made the playoffs.
Not one state has a perfect system but whatever each state uses works best for them. New Mexico has a solid system and it works.
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Post by rocky7 on Dec 6, 2022 5:21:55 GMT -7
Kids getting recruited out of NM has nothing to do with lack of visibility and everything to do with lack of talent. Heck, in 5a ball they are lucky to have the same 3-4 teams every year play each other to see who wins. Half the teams in the playoff couldn't beat a peewee team in TX. Think of it as being the smartest dumb kid. Just because you win doesn't make you good. Whoa,,who sent you here with all your vitriol,,?? Half the teams in the playoff couldn't beat a peewee team in TX. Think of it as being the smartest dumb kid. Just because you win doesn't make you good. Gosh, I had NO IDEA the Texas High School teams were SO POWERFUL,,!! I'm thinking the Bulldogs must have beaten your home team at some point and you just cannot get over it,,,,LOL, LOL.
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Post by noondog22 on Dec 6, 2022 6:45:41 GMT -7
My Grandson got to play at Cowboy Stadium 4 times. It was fantastic. It is a memory he will never forget. It is all FIRST CLASS. Each player and Coach has their own personalized metal plate on their locker. It has their name, school, number and date. I go every year to watch State games and love it. But NM is different. Keep it as it is. There is no Cowboy Stadium in NM that every boy in State dreams of playing in. By the way Zach also played at The Star and at Cotton Bowl. [bHey Charlie Dog if I’m not mistaken I think you are an ex bulldog, so yo might relate to this comment. As a kid I dreamed of becoming a Dallas Cowboy and play at Texas Stadium in Irving, however I also dreamed of being a Bulldog and playing in the mystic Bulldog Bowl. I knew if I worked hard enough the latter would become a reality. I wouldn’t want that to change for any little boy in Artesia in regards to the playoffs. I still have dreams of being in the Bowl coach T W Harvey getting on to me by grabbing my facemask, scolding me then putting me back in the game only to get a pick (it happened twice). Therefore, playing in Jerry’s world would be awesome and it is for some Texas players; however playing at Bulldog Bowl is something that is more realistic, unforgettable and something that some old Dogs like me still have vivid dreams about only to wake up and realize you’ve gotten old…lol
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Post by crispysdad on Dec 6, 2022 16:17:32 GMT -7
My Grandson got to play at Cowboy Stadium 4 times. It was fantastic. It is a memory he will never forget. It is all FIRST CLASS. Each player and Coach has their own personalized metal plate on their locker. It has their name, school, number and date. I go every year to watch State games and love it. But NM is different. Keep it as it is. There is no Cowboy Stadium in NM that every boy in State dreams of playing in. By the way Zach also played at The Star and at Cotton Bowl. [bHey Charlie Dog if I’m not mistaken I think you are an ex bulldog, so yo might relate to this comment. As a kid I dreamed of becoming a Dallas Cowboy and play at Texas Stadium in Irving, however I also dreamed of being a Bulldog and playing in the mystic Bulldog Bowl. I knew if I worked hard enough the latter would become a reality. I wouldn’t want that to change for any little boy in Artesia in regards to the playoffs. I still have dreams of being in the Bowl coach T W Harvey getting on to me by grabbing my facemask, scolding me then putting me back in the game only to get a pick (it happened twice). Therefore, playing in Jerry’s world would be awesome and it is for some Texas players; however playing at Bulldog Bowl is something that is more realistic, unforgettable and something that some old Dogs like me still have vivid dreams about only to wake up and realize you’ve gotten old…lol Charliedog was a Lovington Wildcat. But he coached DBs in Artesia for a long time. He played his high school football in Lovington, but his blood runs Orange and he is a Bulldog fan thru-and-thru to this very day!
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Post by Charliedog on Dec 7, 2022 7:00:25 GMT -7
You cut me and I bleed orange. Many of my former Wildcat teammates and players I coached don't understand my passion for my Bulldogs. I have had players that I coached against talk to me about playing the Bulldogs in the Bowl. They talk about the winners ramp and losers ramp, they talk about the footballs with State year in it, they talk about the Dog pile and the crowds. It is a special place with a one of a kind Tradition. That is why for a few years I have been reminding my friends in Artesia......TRADITION NEVER GRADUATES
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Post by noondog22 on Dec 7, 2022 19:34:57 GMT -7
You cut me and I bleed orange. Many of my former Wildcat teammates and players I coached don't understand my passion for my Bulldogs. I have had players that I coached against talk to me about playing the Bulldogs in the Bowl. They talk about the winners ramp and losers ramp, they talk about the footballs with State year in it, they talk about the Dog pile and the crowds. It is a special place with a one of a kind Tradition. That is why for a few years I have been reminding my friends in Artesia......TRADITION NEVER GRADUATES Teminds me of my friend Charles Gleghorn , he grew up with us up until 10Th or 11th grade. He then moved to Lovington where we played against each other in the infamous 0-0 State Championship in 1987. I think he would say he bleeds orange or a tainted orange as well.
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Post by rocky7 on Dec 11, 2022 21:02:27 GMT -7
I Totally agree with the "Tradition never Graduates". My #2 Son played in that 1987 game and to this day, he is still upset they were not allowed to plat to first score,,,,I did not know Charles Gleghorn played in Lovington,,He was my Bossman's Son. Wasn't he also Head Coach at Hobbs a few years?
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Post by noondog22 on Dec 12, 2022 14:22:12 GMT -7
I Totally agree with the "Tradition never Graduates". My #2 Son played in that 1987 game and to this day, he is still upset they were not allowed to plat to first score,,,,I did not know Charles Gleghorn played in Lovington,,He was my Bossman's Son. Wasn't he also Head Coach at Hobbs a few years? Affirmative he coached at Hobbs and won a state championship coaching Hatch a few years back
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Post by Agent Orange on Dec 13, 2022 15:17:15 GMT -7
Saw on Twitter, Gary Bradley resigned at Mayfield. Led Trojans to 3 titles 06, 07 and 2010.
See what happens there.
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Post by Agent Orange on Dec 14, 2022 20:09:27 GMT -7
I meant Michael Bradley, not Gary, but Gary did leave Carlsbad to join him in Las Cruces.
I'm guessing they go for new blood in Mayfield, could see them bouncing back quickly if the right person can come in.
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Post by crispysdad on Dec 15, 2022 7:11:26 GMT -7
I meant Michael Bradley, not Gary, but Gary did leave Carlsbad to join him in Las Cruces. I'm guessing they go for new blood in Mayfield, could see them bouncing back quickly if the right person can come in. I just figured that the recent lack of success at Mayfield had nothing to do with coaching. As you said earlier, current Mayfield coach has at least 3 state titles under his belt.......2006, 2007, 2010........and those were in the 6A classification. I figured that the recent lack of success had more to do with drop in enrollment and lack of athletes than anything else. Even excellent coaches can only do so much with average talent. Mayfield just doesn't have the horses that they use to have. Just my thoughts, for whatever that's worth.
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Post by Charliedog on Dec 15, 2022 7:17:01 GMT -7
Crispy most Coaches will tell you it is not about the X's and O's it is about the Jimmy's and Joe's. Las Cruces schools have spread the talent and it will be a long time before they ever have another dominant team
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