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Post by TexasOil on Jan 27, 2013 20:45:52 GMT -7
Recently there was a thread here that was about how that now Landry had used up his college eligibility, Landry backers could effectively hate on OU. Everyone has their right to their opinion. In fact, many of the posters I know, and in fact the person who started the post I consider friends and I also greatly respect.
That said, I am an OU fan for life. I guess I was lucky when Landry chose OU because it sure would have been a tough 5 years if he had chosen UT or god forbid A&M!! I think it is sad that a small percentage of the fan base at OU turned some of you off that maybe were on the fence about the program. I think that even if you asked Landry and his family confidentially if he made the right choice in schools, I'd bet just about anything that you would find that he wouldn't change a thing and that football wise alone he made by far the right choice. I'm sure it is a safe bet Landry is glad that he went to OU on a personal level as that is where he met his wife.
I certainly believe this, had he gone to UT, Colorado, or elsewhere, I seriosly doubt he would have put up the numbers that he did at OU. And had he gone to UT, I'd bet that the bashing would have been far far worse than what you saw out of the OU idiots that bashed him.
So here is my question: If not OU, where do you all think Landry Jones should have gone and why? Does anyone actually believe that he would have been better off anywhere else? If so why?
Honestly I ask this just out of morbid curiosity.... If you think they don't bash the crap out of their players at others school..... ( Texas ) go to their message boards......
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Jan 27, 2013 22:29:48 GMT -7
I am one of TO's friends that respectfully disagree and my take is this: OU was terrible, except for LJ and a receiver or 2, they stunk it up. I think exactly how terrible was masked by having an outstanding QB and someone to catch the ball. Their O line was below average, their defense was pathetic, they couldn't run the ball, and when they tried to spread the ball among other receivers, they dropped the ball so much. I really think they were rotten, perhaps not even top 25 worthy, except for the passing game which they were forced to choose as many as 70-75 times a game. So yeah, I think had LJ chosen a team that didn't rely on him so heavily, which you woulda thought OU could be, he woulda been better off. Remember, he was recruited by EVERYONE. All those top 10 teams wanted him 5 years ago, he was arguably as good as anyone those teams had at QB this or last season. I can definitely see LJ winning a Heisman at say, Wisconsin or Nebraska(both of which recruited him) running the I and throwing it 25 times instead of 70 every week. People were so butt hurt over his 11 interceptions this year. But heck he threw it every snap because that was all OU had and everyone knew it. Oh and 1 more thing, I am a native Texan by birth. It's in my blood, it really felt good to see him leave OU so I could stop pretending to like those stump jumping Okies!
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 28, 2013 9:50:19 GMT -7
As I've said before, I was raised an Oklahoma fan from the time I could stand. I've always liked the Sooners. I was however not born there. I was born in Louisiana. I'd really like to be a LSU fan, but can't stand the colors. I see the merits in both posts above regarding Landry. I don't think the idiots bashing Landry about INT's stopped to consider the number of times he had to throw the football. Not to mention the lack of a running game that allowed defensive backs to sit back and jump his throws. Would I have rather seen him in the Nebraska or Wisconsin type of offense with huge country boys on the O-line and 25-30 attempts a game? Yes. Is that the type of offense that he is better suited for? I think so. Do I love the fact that he OWNS most of the OU passing records? Absolutely. Am I looking forward to watching all those knucklehead OU fans moan and groan about their next 5 quarterbacks? You bet. I am proud of him whatever he does or chooses to do. I'm looking forward to what he will do for God when his playing days are over. The Oklahoma program has a bunch of BIG problems to fix in order to become a real national title contender again. A "mobile" quarterback is not the answer. They need to look hard and fast at their recruiting program. They need immediate upgrades on the offensive and defensive lines. Defense wins championships. Easy with the "stump jumping Okies" Pitch. Most of my family lives there and I grew up there. AND ... they were the only state that Obummer to didn't carry a single county in.
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Jan 28, 2013 10:11:31 GMT -7
Then more thumbs up than I got hands for their stance on Obama. Man that guy ticked me off with his comment about his son playing football over the weekend. Of course if Obama had a son he'd probably be anything but an athlete. Athletes are held accountable and Obama doesn't care for that sort of thing. Couldn't blame anything on W in athletics. ;D
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Post by GoDogs on Jan 28, 2013 15:20:38 GMT -7
In the long run, and in hindsight, Landry wouldn’t have been better anywhere else. I don't know him personally, but I've always heard that playing for the Sooners was a dream of his. That's enough reason right there. Add in Whitney Hand and it's a no brainer. I also think (or at least hope) that one day he will be more appreciated for what he did at OU.
I've never played an organized sport (I'm a born spastic) and certainly never been in the limelight, but all the negative press and fans would have impacted by self-confidence big time. I hope he is above that but thinking he had no pressure going to the Senior Bowl and answering all the questions about why he was inconsistent, etc. had to be at least a little nerve wracking. That's probably why Geno Smith didn't go (and IMHO Landry is better than him). I liked his interview on the NFL channel. I’m not sure I’ve ever heard Mayock tell someone they gave a good answer before.
I, like Landry, believe he will end up where he needs to be, and with that attitude I think he’ll have a happy life. What else could you ask for?
For what it’s worth …
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Post by Agent Orange on Jan 28, 2013 18:24:05 GMT -7
I pretty much said my peace on the other thread, I guess you deleted it bigdog?
I'll say it again, OU Coaches and staff have had nothing but nice things to say about Artesia and our football program, I give them the same due. They believed in Landry enough to let him lead their program for 4 years, he put up huge numbers, won a couple conference championships, BCS Bowl game, had several prime time games.
Would he have been better off somewhere else? It's hard to say but I kinda doubt it, if we are talking about Colorado then heck no he would have been in a horrible spot. Landry walked into a good spot and was able to start and play for 4 years at a big time program, it doesn't get a whole lot better than that in my mind.
Expectations are high at OU, they want to compete for National Titles, we got the same high expectations in our own town. He plays the most scrutinized position in the game at a big time program, not everybody is going to have nice things to say about your game.
I got no problem with someone critiquing his game, but I do with the personal attacks some would give. It goes with the territory though, you gotta be mentally tough to play QB imo, and have a short memory. If Landry let all the naysayers get into his head he wouldn't be where he is at today, fixing to be drafted in the NFL.
All in all OU may not be one of the Elite Programs right now but they are still better than 90% of them. Landry will be fine, heck If I'm going to get paid like he is, you can say whatever you want about me, I'll be laughing all the way to the bank ha ha.
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Post by TexasOil on Jan 28, 2013 18:30:15 GMT -7
I agree that OU has been way down talent wise the past couple of years.... The talent that Landry played with vs what Sam Bradford had is night and day... Very few if any of this year's Sooners will play at the next level. Certainly no 1st rounders except the left offensive tackle that is a guy who has taken off at his position as of late and is a guy who has loads of potential, but is really just now coming into his own.
"The Oklahoma program has a bunch of BIG problems to fix in order to become a real national title contender again. A "mobile" quarterback is not the answer. They need to look hard and fast at their recruiting program. They need immediate upgrades on the offensive and defensive lines". Totally agree Big Dog!!
Mr. Pitch, I love your political views and couldn't agree with you more. But as far as your love of the Steers from Austin.... we can just agree to disagree.... While Wisconsin may have been an interesting choice, I don't recall any QB's from there every being much of a national headliner.... Russell Wilson was a transfer and he has really started coming more into his own since being drafter by the Seahawks.... I respectfully disagree with Nebraska being a good fit... they have always had mobile QB's... Taylor Martinez is more of a runner than a thrower and they seem to like that up there. I don't think Martinez is in Landry's league as a QB, but Landry's style isn't Nebraska's either in my humble opinion...
Again, I love your political views!!
Sadly as an OU fan I see the short term of QB's at OU and they loud crybabies in the fan base will be wishing Landry back for atleast the next couple of years. Bell isn't a thrower at all and the gimmick Belldozer won't win games if used the entire game....
Cody Thomas, an incoming freshman QB from next door Colleyville Heritage has loads and loads of potential, but i'm pretty sure he won't step foot on OU's campus. He is likely to be a very high MLB pick. If that happens, the QB situation at OU is in big big trouble. They may actually lose 1 or 2 games to the Steers.....
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Jan 30, 2013 4:02:46 GMT -7
TO- Any loyalty to Texas no longer rests with University of Texas, that went out the door when I attended Texas Tech. I actually like Stoops, but as I said, I have a natural disdain for Oklahoma. Shoot me! But I have no problem admitting they they are generally very good, but they aren't right now. 5 years ago, I was gonna be at least a Landry fan and a little for whoever he signed with. My worlds collided. In fact, as much as I think of you, you just have rotten taste. I don't care much for the Lobos either. But I am a loyal Bulldog and will hope they do well while we have one of our own up there. Unfortunately, at least since I left high school, there has usually been a Bulldog or two on the Lobo roster.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 30, 2013 11:29:37 GMT -7
If I were ever going to root for a Texas team, Tech, TCU, and Baylor would be my choices. Probably in that order. The horns and aggies would be WAY down at the bottom of the list.
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Post by TexasOil on Jan 30, 2013 11:30:53 GMT -7
Mr. Pitch, I agree 100% that OU simply isn't where they were 5 years ago... the recruiting has dropped off dramatically in my opinion and this year's class isn't much better... Often when a coach has been somewhere as long as Stoops and has had a lot of success as he has had, complacency can and does set in. A false sense of urgency or security as well can creep in... Bear Bryant went through it during the late 60's until he went to Darrell Royal and adopted the wishbone, Joe Paterno went through it... etc... Mack Brown is in the same boat right now.... Tho i think his recruiting issues are much different. They commit tons of guys at camps that are sophomores that are gym freaks or physical specimens that simply cannot play or don't pan out.
It has been hard for any of us to care much for the Lobos during the Locksley era!! Thank god that is over....
I sure wish you and Joe could have made it up to the Cotton Bowl this year! I was looking forward to seeing you guys!! I had tailgate plans all set up too.... Maybe you can come up for a pro game of Landry's in the coming years! I'm sure he will wind up kicking the cowboys butts many times in the future. We can give Charliedog grief when that hopefully happens!
I remember the HS days when you'd go on about the Texas Defense... you were quite a fan back then as I recall...You'd talk about Tony Degrate, Kiki DeAyala, and Jeff Leiding. You knew your players and facts, no doubt, but your taste was equally sickening!! Haha
It was ironic when you started your last post off with the word loyalty in the 1st sentence... You are what I think of when that word comes up... Loyalty.
Over and out!
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Post by Charliedog on Jan 30, 2013 14:39:54 GMT -7
I will host the Tailgate when and if LJ plays for or against the Cowboys. Bring a DD
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Post by crispysdad on Jan 30, 2013 19:12:06 GMT -7
I will host the Tailgate when and if LJ plays for or against the Cowboys. Bring a DD DD?
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Post by crispysdad on Jan 30, 2013 19:58:56 GMT -7
Not really sure whether Landry would have been better off elsewhere or not. I am just thankful that he did not choose UNM or NMSU, because I believe that if he had chosen one of those schools that would have been the last that anybody ever heard of him.
I never was an OU fan before Landry chose OU. I couldn't have cared less about OU. I am not really even sure if I was an OU fan while Landry was there! Oh sure, I wanted OU to win for the simple reason that it made Landry and Artesia look good. But if Landry threw for 350 yds......3 TDs........and no INTs in an OU LOSS, then I was a happy camper. I really didn't care if OU lost the game just as long as Landry looked good in the process. I guess what that proves is just that I was a bigger Landry/Artesia fan than I was an OU fan. I know that that line of thinking may be impossible for a lot of people to understand, but I guess that just comes with having lived in this wonderful town and having been a diehard Artesia Bulldog fan for about 50 years.
In fact.........just about everybody on here knows that I am a Dallas Cowboy fan since birth. The Washington Redskins are one of our most hated rivals! But in the unlikely event that Landry were to end up starting for the Redskins (which will not happen) I could see myself rooting for Landry to beat my Dallas Cowboys. I just think it would be so cool for a former Artesia Bulldog to someday end up in the NFL Hall Of Fame. And if that takes the Redskins putting the beat down on my Cowboys for a few years then so be it. Y'all are probably all thinking that I am crazy and have no idea what team loyalty is all about. All I can say about that is that you would have to live in my skin in order to understand where I am coming from.
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Jan 30, 2013 20:20:16 GMT -7
designated driver
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Post by crispysdad on Jan 30, 2013 20:42:09 GMT -7
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Post by Agent Orange on Jan 30, 2013 21:15:24 GMT -7
I was that at the Cotton Bowl
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Post by bdogfan on Jan 30, 2013 21:28:18 GMT -7
I thought DD meant Drunk Driver? lol
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Post by Agent Orange on Jan 30, 2013 21:52:18 GMT -7
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Post by TexasOil on Jan 30, 2013 23:32:26 GMT -7
I can fully attest to the fact that yes indeed Randall is a capable DD.... When the writing was on the wall at this year's Cotton Bowl, I numbed my surgical knee and my feelings at Jerry's Crown Royal bar at Cowboys Stadium... Thankfully I had Randall the DD!!!
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Post by Agent Orange on Jan 31, 2013 8:16:07 GMT -7
Texas Oil was still a good gps though, we got out of that stadium and bypassed the traffic in no time
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