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Post by TexasOil on Nov 19, 2011 13:29:12 GMT -7
Never took it personal Mikemoe, problem!! Thanks....
I've just always thought that Long did the best possible with what little $$, facilities, and support he had.... Was he blameless for losses or other issues? No way.... But given the circumstances, no other coach in history has done remotely as "Mediocre" as he did...
Now would I be disappointed with Long's performance if the athletic budget, facilities, and fan support were the same as 75% of the teams UNM plays?? Absolutely.... If you get what you pay for, then Long's tenure was far from Mediocre.... It was exceptional....
When Long left the talent level may have been on the low side, but really low enough for the record Locksley had?
Bottom line... Who was the most successful coach all time? I guess what i'm saying is I'll take mediocre over embarassing!!!
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Post by nmsooner80 on Nov 21, 2011 12:24:28 GMT -7
Commentary from the Santa Fe New Mexican (and this guy used to be with the UNM Daily Lobo): m.santafenewmexican.com/Sports/Here-s-to-effective--not-sexy-at-UNM(by James Barron) The journey of a 1,000 miles begins with a single step. Bob Davie can be proud with the first imprint he left on his new turf. The recently hired head football coach of The University of New Mexico sounded confident, jovial and most of all, realistic in his first news conference for the school Thursday. Davie, who coached for five years in the fishbowl that is Notre Dame until his dismissal in 2001, knows what he is getting at UNM. This is a program that has won just three times in the past three seasons. This is a program that has been pegged as moribund, soft and disorganized. This is a place where the football season is just something to fill the calendar until Oct. 15, when basketball season rolls around. (For the ardent Lobo football fan, just check the attendance figures the past three years.) Much of that can be attributed to the previous hire, Mike Locksley. In fact, his news conference in 2008 was a precursor of unmet expectations to come when he uttered that he wanted to add a third digit to the scoreboard for the coming offensive explosion. Instead, he couldn't figure out how to add a second digit to his overall win column. By contrast, Davie spoke of stabilization, of bringing a strong work ethic, of developing a plan — a long-term plan. He wasn't flashy (although he was affable) and he didn't promise anything. In fact, Davie made it clear he wasn't about to make promises just to satisfy the masses. If anything, he was the anti-Locksley. And maybe Rocky Long 2.0 — or was Long Davie 2.0? Davie made his name a defensive coordinator — like Long. Davie wants to establish the running game — like Long. Davie wants to make recruiting the state's best talent a priority — like Long. Funny, it makes you wonder: Why didn't UNM just try to keep Long? (We know, we know. It was his choice. Wink-wink, nod-nod.) Well, it seemed that a program built on a hard-nosed, tough work ethic, with an equally tough defense and a not-so-sexy ground-control offense wasn't attractive three years ago. After going in the opposite direction, the university returned to its senses. Sometimes, effective beats sexy. Davie demonstrated effectiveness in relaying a message that was soothing to a fan base that yearned for hope. He didn't promise the sun and the moon, but he offered something else — stability. That's better than what was offered before. Where the journey goes from here, nobody — not even Davie — knows. But it was a wonderful first step. Contact James Barron at 986-3045 or jbarron@sfnewmexican.com
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 15:09:21 GMT -7
Funny cartoon is yeswterdays Abq Journal. David (D) talking to Krebs (K):
D - Is football #1 here K - I wish D - Is there a loyal fan base? K - I wish D-Is the conference situation stable? K - I wish D-Is this a fertile rcruiting ground? K - I wish
D - Great, from the Fighting Irish to the Fighting I wish.
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Post by lobo-rocket on Nov 21, 2011 16:00:21 GMT -7
Notice how mikemoe failed to answer any of TexasOil's questions..... It's nice to see that some things never change.
No answer for who is the best UNM coach of all time if not Long?
The inability to recognize that Long is also the school's all time winningest coach. Mathematics and objectivity are clearly not mikemoe's strong suits. The old man can carry a grudge with the best of them though I'll give him that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 17:05:05 GMT -7
You want an answer? By the way I may be old and a little overweight but still can run a good 40. I thought you would enjoy the cartoon. I dont buy the comments about funding, think thats and excuse. Have you ever been to a game at CSU? I have and the stadium was horrible, much worse than UNMs. I may be wrong but compare Sonny Lubicks funding with RL's. I havent been up there since late 80s and I'm sure they have improved the stadium but dont think they have an indoor facilityand nobody can mention RL in the dame breath as Sonny. I just take umbrage (that means offense lobo-rocket) with people using one negative (Locksley) to compare it to another (Long). Why is it a big deal to be named UNMs best coach ever when your career record is under .500 and no titles? By the way Coach Fran won a title, although a minor one. Thats like saying the Roswell school system has the lowest test scores in the high school in the state (just an example) but they have improved from last year and thats a big deal.
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Post by TexasOil on Nov 21, 2011 17:46:52 GMT -7
The way I saw and see it is like this: During Long's tenure with the Lobos, the glass was always half full. Most of the time befoe he took over, the glass was mostly empty. Since he left it has not only been empty, but it stole from the neighbor.
I'd say a 50 is a big deal compared to a Zero. No doubt though, mikemoe certainly hates Rocky...Hates the hell out of the poor dude!! Wonder why?? Most of us who went to the school don't hate Locksley as much as he hates Long... And Locksley brought a level of embarasment to UNM even it had never even seen before....add another digit to the scoreboard! now that was even funny it was so stupid! During the Lubick era, CSU certainly had a higher recruiting budget and overall football budget than UNM did and does. Funding is an excuse and a reason... Money doesn't matter?? Now that's funny too!! Tell that to the people who pour millions into SEC schools each year... Sell that one and you can sell ice water to Eskimos.
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Post by Agent Orange on Nov 21, 2011 18:47:19 GMT -7
lol I enjoy these posts.
not much use focusing on Rocky Long though, he is long gone.
Does anyone know what are the terms of Davie's contract? like length and the money they will pay him?
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Post by smokey on Nov 21, 2011 18:59:38 GMT -7
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Post by Agent Orange on Nov 21, 2011 19:07:04 GMT -7
thanks smokey.
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Post by Big Dog on Nov 22, 2011 8:32:59 GMT -7
I think Mikemoe's disdain (that means contempt or considering one unworthy of respect) is probably a personal issue. However, you have to admire his Bulldog-like tenacity in his beliefs. Right or wrong ... like Randall said ... these posts from all of you are entertaining. Keep up the good work.
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Post by GoDogs on Nov 22, 2011 9:43:43 GMT -7
We'll just have to see how it goes. Hopefully, firing Rocky wasn't the Loob's "Woodson Curse" moment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 11:18:04 GMT -7
No I dont hate anybody except for people like Sandusky and other felons if all the stuff about him proves true. Thanks for the info about CSU, I probably should have emphasized their facilities more than their funding. I just dont drink the Rocky Long kool aid. The last comment I will make on this topic is I am not the only one that think he quit. Todd Christiansen of the MTN said the same thing, he quit and left the cupboard bare. Davie has more talent to work with but a mismanaged team.
I have my beliefs and guys like Texas Oil, NM Sooner have theirs. Like Fox news (my favorite) says - we report you decide. At least this board can see these post as not personal, not even anti Lobo, just not buying the idea of Rocky being a good coach, and not ban me like TRM did.
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Post by nmsooner80 on Nov 22, 2011 12:28:38 GMT -7
Heck, in this thread I'm mostly just posting links and text....
That "third digit" comment by Locksley may even be worse than the tired old "next level" phrase that still haunts Lobo fans when a bad hire is made. It usually comes to represent bizarre expectations and standards (and I also say that while thinking about the absurd coddling of the Norm Ellenberger era of cheating, academic fraud, and inconsistent winning that so many here are willing to overlook because "Norm was cool.").
I still think it would have been funny to have seen what Landry Jones could have done against a Locksley team. That third digit might have come in handy, in a hypothetical game between OU and UNM in Albuquerque. You'd just need to move it to the visitors' side.
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Post by TexasOil on Nov 22, 2011 19:08:03 GMT -7
NMsooner80, you got thrown in to this with me due to guilt by association. I will say this, lobo-rocket had a top nominee for funniest post of the year! You are all right in my books.... funny funny post... I blew water through my nose laughing when read you line about the old man holding a grudge with the best of them....
Good luck Bob Davie. You are going to need it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 10:50:44 GMT -7
NMSooner - Just threw your name in as another Rocky supporter, no offense intended at all!
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Post by nmsooner80 on Nov 27, 2011 12:43:02 GMT -7
I regret that this whole thing spun off into a Rocky Long debate. I prefer to think of how he and Franchione did it - with lots of Texas recruits and getting in-state kids from winning programs (not just the usual ABQ-area types who get all the media hype). People forget that Fran signed Urlacher and a few other non-ABQ kids, and Rocky was able to build on that.
Regardless of records (pro or con) and all that, one thing I always appreciated about Rocky was that he seemed to be able to bridge the chasm between central New Mexico preps and eastern/southern preps. That's harder than it sounds, because too many boneheads in this part of the state make snide comments about how "everything east of Clines Corners isn't really New Mexico," or words to that effect. That is actually something that Long probably had to work hard to overcome.
Here's hoping that Davie can not only rebuild the Locksley train-wreck, but also rebuild ties to top coaches from all corners of the state.
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