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Post by Agent Orange on Oct 29, 2016 6:47:42 GMT -7
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Post by Charliedog on Oct 29, 2016 7:00:31 GMT -7
If you can get Rapid's video up he has a close up of the Goddard kid grabbing ball before it is snapped. Great job Rapid
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Post by Agent Orange on Oct 29, 2016 7:19:43 GMT -7
I'll try to get it.
Another thing is Goddard is taught to swipe the ball, 06 Title game we had it wrapped up, big Omar Castillo from Goddard did this 2 or 3 times in a row before we got a snap off to end the game. We need to be prepared to defend against this, surely their is a way to combat this and it needs to be taught.
Put 2 hands on the ball before you snap it, maybe have more control of the ball ? or can he just not snap it and fall on it? don't think that's a legal play but has to be a way to defend against these tactics
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Post by sevenjrs on Oct 29, 2016 7:25:43 GMT -7
Well,,I am just as mad as everybody else,,,,and maybe even more,,,,,!! Can somebody explain just exactly " WHAT HAPPENED,,in the last 31 seconds,,,?? ,Did the Artesia center actually HIKE the ball cause I sure didn't see that,,,,,AND when they tried that the first time,,,why didn't the Artesia coaches call time and address that same likelyhood for next play? When we are trying to save a victory,,What the heck are we doing hiking to the shotgun and chancing a squibble or any other OH,OH,,, AND,,,when we have a kicker that can put the ball in the endzone,,,why in haides do we keep kicking to their 30 and give ANY team the opportunity,,TO,,,RUN...ONE,,,BACK,,,ON,,,US,,,?? Am I still MAD,,,yes!!! When, the question of allowing the home team coach, to dictate if a play-off game is played on a Friday night OR a Saturday afternoon,,,(was it Belen or Los Lunas?) I wrote a long winded letter to Mr. Dusty Young with NMAA and explained the various and many negatives of allowing the home team coach to schedule those games on Friday nights. First is the obvious advantage of having more "Home Field" supporters there due to travel restrictions for the visiting team supporters. The biggest danger NMAA was allowing to happen is the students from the visiting team having to cut classes and driving (speeding) long distances to attend those games. Dusty Young responding by championing this proposal and working at getting NMAA to update their (lack) of policy. The point of NMAA not having enough people to referee games,, does NOT and should not ever be a basis for condoning such questionable behavior by ANY official. The post game show on the Roswell radio station had one of the Goddard coaches stating " I have never seen calls like these in all my years of coaching, and these last 31 seconds will be long remembered in New Mexico Football" I realize NMAA will not change the outcome of this game,,,and I DO hope Cooper Henderson does log a protest to NMAA,,,Cause I sure plan to,,,!!! OH,,,and one more thing,,,,,let's pitch in and buy the coach a new watch,,,one that resets after each play,,,,,,
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Post by Football fan on Oct 29, 2016 7:42:37 GMT -7
Wasn't there lastnight but I saw the replay just now and if that's the only way Goddard can beat Artesia more power to them. Yes I am biased cause I live in Artesia but stuff like they pulled lastnight only last a seconds. Goddard is famous for stuff like this. They play that smash mouth they like to play tuff ball. We just came up way short.
Use this to motivate to learn and prepare cause chances are we will see them again in the playoffs. And that's when redemption comes.
Was very proud of the Bulldogs. Players and coaches and fans. Love us or hate us you still have to contend with us and that is never easy.
Disappointed in the referees should have never gotten that out of hand. They should be dealt with accordingly.
Congrats to the rockets i know better then anyone how hard you worked for that win. At least everyone walked away with there's ears in tacked this time right guys! 😬
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Post by Rick on Oct 29, 2016 7:59:58 GMT -7
A few thoughts:
-- Bulldogs definitely got hosed.
-- Where was this officiating crew from? How much experience did it have?
-- Goddard is still Goddard, using the same questionable defensive tactics that'll continue until officiating crews around the state start consistently flagging the players for the slapping-the-ball-before-the-snap stuff. Same thing with the ripping-off-opponents'-helmets-on-tackles.
-- When Artesia and Goddard meet again in the playoffs, take your revenge then.
-- The ending of this game reminds me of the men's basketball game in the 1972 Olympics in Munich, when the USA (allegedly) lost to the USSR, thanks to the officials giving the latter several additional chances to "win" it after time had expired.
-- On pass interference calls, does the phrase "catchable ball" still only appear in the NFL rule book? My understanding was that that phrase was not in the college or high school rule book, hence, pass interference can be called whether the pass was catchable or not.
-- Jerry Brown told me years ago that the state and the NMAA were having trouble recruiting football officials. Looks like that hasn't changed; more and more of the guys doing it now merely are there because they're the only ones willing to do it for the low pay.
-- I've seen Artesia teams in all sports occasionally get hosed by officials. Call it the Harold Ashcraft Syndrome.
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Post by zoey on Oct 29, 2016 10:50:40 GMT -7
WOW, that was some BS right there. It doesn't make sense that you can fumble the ball before it is snapped.
I don't know how you could be proud after "winning" a game like that
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Post by Ike on Oct 29, 2016 11:09:32 GMT -7
After thinking about this tactic, although I still feel it's an illegal play, I've been told once the ball starts comes off the ground, the slap play can occur legally. I still have a hard time trying to see how it can be done without being offsides. That would have to be exact timing to pull it off. So to defend it, how about the center hold the ball with both hands and basically pull the ball up towards his body as he is falling straight down to the ground. Don't even try to snap it to the QB. Just an idea!!! Something I think should've been done after the 2nd or 3rd try. Obviously looked like Goddard was willing to do it until they were no time left on the clock or until they could get away with it which eventually happened. Again. Have the center just fall straight down with the ball once he starts to act like he's gonna snap it. Should be legal if they defense can legally slap at the ball. Maybe every team in the state should try to do that on 3rd or 4th and 1 throughout the game, although IMO I feel it's a bush league move. That's not how the game is meant to be played.
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Oct 29, 2016 11:43:42 GMT -7
I watched it. Let me say if I was in Coach Henderson's(either one of them), I would not have been classy I am afraid. But it's gonna be the way the Artesia people have always carried themselves and been classy and acted with integrity. That will be exactly the reason why the NMAA may listen to Coach Cooper Henderson if he chooses to file a grievance. You should be proud of that rather than question whether Artesia employs coaches who are unwilling to stand up for kids. That my friends is a cheap shot at the coaches, the program, the school board and community that want those types of people leading the young people in Artesia, and really a cheap shot at the players and parents who believe in those coaches. Sit back and watch this lesson come to fruition when these kids win another state title when the way they have been taught to deal with adversity plays out in the playoffs.
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Post by crispysdad on Oct 29, 2016 12:28:52 GMT -7
I watched it. Let me say if I was in Coach Henderson's(either one of them), I would not have been classy I am afraid. But it's gonna be the way the Artesia people have always carried themselves and been classy and acted with integrity. That will be exactly the reason why the NMAA may listen to Coach Cooper Henderson if he chooses to file a grievance. You should be proud of that rather than question whether Artesia employs coaches who are unwilling to stand up for kids. That my friends is a cheap shot at the coaches, the program, the school board and community that want those types of people leading the young people in Artesia, and really a cheap shot at the players and parents who believe in those coaches. Sit back and watch this lesson come to fruition when these kids win another state title when the way they have been taught to deal with adversity plays out in the playoffs. My thoughts exactly!
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Post by stonecoldkilla on Oct 29, 2016 13:00:01 GMT -7
Dang bulldog fans, tough way to lose a game. Typical Godard BS. I've never liked Goddard or they're fans. But I will give credit to the rockets for making plays. They had a good lead over the dogs at one time. Hell when was the last time a returned a KO against y'all?! I'm confident that if and when you meet again the orange team will win. IMO Goddard is going to beat Roswell next week and win district and probably be the #2 seed. Bulldogs will be 3 so you can meet the rockets in the semis. Don't worry abt LVT. Beat us bad enough so we can get this guy outta here hahahaha!
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Post by crispysdad on Oct 29, 2016 14:39:56 GMT -7
Randall ... Thanks for posting this video. I have shared it on facebook, and I urge everybody else to do the same! It's time to make this sucker go VIRAL!!!!!!! I posted the video to fb just about 10 minutes ago, and it has already been shared 6 times!!!
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Post by Noon dog 22 on Oct 29, 2016 14:40:36 GMT -7
I haven't felt this way about the pinche rockets since 1986 when those chumps bought t shirts saying they made history and beat us 40 whatever to whatever; however the angry Orange will get some goddardrocket a... this year or next. It will be very fulfilling for them as it was for us and Coach TW Harvey back then. I can't wait to see the dogs put them losers in their place....just saying
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Post by Guest4321 on Oct 29, 2016 14:48:01 GMT -7
I believe the T-shirts read 42-12.....
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Post by drew bird on Oct 29, 2016 14:57:12 GMT -7
can someone tell me what happened??? as far as the officiating went? Im a Belen Eagle fan and have maaad respect for the dogs-- i am asking because our boys got royally screwed by the refs in the district title game against pius on thrusday night in abq.
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Post by drew bird on Oct 29, 2016 15:07:29 GMT -7
ok i watched the video thanks for posting.... that was ridiculous.. know that we here in belen are just as pissed off as you guys are. please beat up on them in you see them in the playoffs!
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Post by bdogfan on Oct 29, 2016 15:41:36 GMT -7
I really do not think Goddard will make it to the semi finals.
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Post by crispysdad on Oct 29, 2016 16:07:37 GMT -7
can someone tell me what happened??? as far as the officiating went? Im a Belen Eagle fan and have maaad respect for the dogs-- i am asking because our boys got royally screwed by the refs in the district title game against pius on thrusday night in abq. Drew Bird.........Agent Orange posted a video near the top of this page that tells you all you need to know. Look just a few posts from the top.
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Post by bdogfan on Oct 29, 2016 16:53:47 GMT -7
Drew Bird all year long the referees in NM regarding football has been lousy. NMAA excuse is they don't have enough people for referees. Well pay them well and screen them very well and hire quality people. Even states that surround NM do a better job.
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Post by ref on Oct 29, 2016 18:00:02 GMT -7
I’ve debated whether or not I should dip into this fray. After some thought and consideration, I decided I would go ahead and post this, realizing I may be heavily criticized for the position I am about to take.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am an AHS grad. I’m proud of the Bulldogs and our legacy of winning. I don’t normally post to this board, but I do enjoy reading and keeping up with Bulldog football.
I am also a football referee. I referee high school football in a state east of the Mississippi as well as small-school college ball (think schools the size of Wayland Baptist). I have been a referee for several years. I do not wish to disclose my indentity due to my position.
Due to my game ending early last night (we had a running clock), I was able to catch the last half of the 4th quarter of the ‘Dogs game. I saw some things I felt the officials did correctly, and some things I thought could use work. However, I don’t believe they enforced anything incorrectly during the portion of the game that I saw.
I will first state that I am not going to question a referee’s judgement. I don’t have the same angle they have on the field, so all I can do is trust that they put themselves in the best position they can be in to see a play and make a call. That said, the two calls that seem to be at the center of most of the gripes in this thread were correct based on the camera angle I was able to see.
First, under high school rules, it is legal to swipe at the ball once the center starts moving it. If a team has practiced it, it is possible that they could time it just right and cause a fumble. Under NCAA rules, however, this is not legal, and results in a delay of game foul. I don’t believe such a play is in the best interest of sportsmanship, but officials are responsible for enforcing the rules as they are written, and are not free to make up rules as they suit them. If Artesia wants the high school code to be changed to match the NCAA code, it should petition the NMAA to submit a rule change to the NFHS to make such a play illegal.
Second, the pass interference call in high school does not have an uncatchable provision, but even if it did, the Artesia defender restricted the Goddard receiver from moving toward an underthrown ball. The pass interference call was correct, and would also be correct at the college level, which does have a provision for uncatchable balls.
While I understand the pride of the Bulldog legacy, I was dismayed to hear the way the play-by-play is being announced. I appreciate Joby’s enthusiasm for the game, and I realize that his job is to broadcast the game through orange colored glasses, but I wish he would take the time to open the rule book and understand the rule enforcement of common penalties. I also wish he would learn the referee’s signals or at least have a signal chart in front of him so he can accurately broadcast the game. I find it difficult to take him seriously when he fails to correctly interpret not only the signal (failure to wear equipment vs. illegal formation) but also the enforcement (live ball vs. dead ball) of the foul on Artesia after the interception late in the 4th quarter. If he would take the time to understand the rules and appreciate the differences between what happens on Friday nights and what everyone sees on TV on Saturdays and Sundays, he would be a better announcer.
I would also encourage anyone who has an interest in high school football to consider becoming an official, if you have the time. I know NM is hurting for them, and it gives you a different appreciation for the game if you are willing to take the time to study and work at being a good one. Doing so gives one a better understanding of the rules. It also allows officials to give back in a different way, and is an unique and interesting hobby.
Please don’t take this as a criticism of the Artesia fan base. You are more passionate than most of the teams I see on a regular basis, and I share your support for my alma mater. I would just encourage you to educate yourselves on the rules differences, and remember that the rules you see enforced on TV on Saturdays and Sundays is sometimes very different from the game that is played on Friday nights.
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