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Post by bdogfan on Oct 30, 2016 9:35:13 GMT -7
If the referees from Friday night are no less than the best in their association, I don't think they need to be on the field. This guys have well been people looking for ajob at the local unemploment office on that day. That final interception should have been in the books for Artesia since there was no way the Goddard player would have caught the ball.Calling a passing interference on Artesia should have been out of the question since it was intercepted even before the interference call.
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Post by Rick on Oct 30, 2016 9:57:54 GMT -7
While I understand the pride of the Bulldog legacy, I was dismayed to hear the way the play-by-play is being announced. I appreciate Joby’s enthusiasm for the game, and I realize that his job is to broadcast the game through orange colored glasses, but I wish he would take the time to open the rule book and understand the rule enforcement of common penalties. I also wish he would learn the referee’s signals or at least have a signal chart in front of him so he can accurately broadcast the game. I find it difficult to take him seriously when he fails to correctly interpret not only the signal (failure to wear equipment vs. illegal formation) but also the enforcement (live ball vs. dead ball) of the foul on Artesia after the interception late in the 4th quarter. If he would take the time to understand the rules and appreciate the differences between what happens on Friday nights and what everyone sees on TV on Saturdays and Sundays, he would be a better announcer. I just HAD to copy this as I could NOT get the Artesia station on my little transister radio at the game,,,,,LOL,,,and the only station I could pick up was the roswell station,,,,,and if you thought Joby was excited and upset,,you should have listened to the roswell announcers,,,they were just a heartbeat away from callin the refs them choice 10 dollar cusswords and,,,,they were even less versed bout the rules,,,and they admitted it a few times,,,,LOL I AM glad to see all the traffic on social media,,,that helps our case. BOTH sets of radio announcers were PO'd at the officials?? Dang! I guess they were getting SOMETHING right.
Got a question for you guys: Seems like few if any of you were surprised by Goddard's tactic of slapping the ball before it's hiked. How long would you say Goddard's been doing this?
I'm curious because I don't recall it happening during my time in Artesia, nor do I recall Phipps or Cooper mentioning it at QB Club meetings. Maybe they did and I've just forgotten.
Also, does anybody know where this officiating crew was from?
Rick
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Post by Jades on Oct 30, 2016 11:13:12 GMT -7
Goddard is the only team I have ever seen do this. They only do it late in the game and they are behind but within one score. It's typical Goddard, win at all costs, including your dignity.
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Post by Agent Orange on Oct 30, 2016 11:16:19 GMT -7
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Post by cleveland rocks on Oct 30, 2016 11:23:17 GMT -7
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Post by Rick on Oct 30, 2016 12:21:16 GMT -7
Two more questions:
How wide is "the neutral zone" supposed to be and how is it measured (from what spot to what spot)?
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Post by crispysdad on Oct 30, 2016 12:37:23 GMT -7
Two more questions:
How wide is "the neutral zone" supposed to be and how is it measured (from what spot to what spot)?
Now I could be wrong........but I always assumed that the neutral zone was the length of the football. Whatever space the football occupies, from sideline to sideline, is the neutral zone. And I think that the only body part allowed in the neutral zone are the hands of the center.
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Post by Rick on Oct 30, 2016 12:52:57 GMT -7
Two more questions:
How wide is "the neutral zone" supposed to be and how is it measured (from what spot to what spot)?
I didn't phrase that quite right. By "wide," I meant how far does the neutral zone extend forward (assuming it's measured from the front end/point of the ball as it lies on the turf).
Is the length of the neutral zone equal to the length of the ball itself?
I've never known. Or either never paid much attention.
No big deal. Just wondering.
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Post by Charliedog on Oct 30, 2016 13:04:43 GMT -7
IT is the length of football. If you are over front in you are guilty of encroachment
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Post by cdel58 on Oct 30, 2016 16:35:25 GMT -7
Offside The center's elbow has not moved. The ball has not moved. The defensive player's hand is past the line. Offside. Picture perfect evidence of a penalty. The center still has his hand on the ball and you can see Goddard's player hand go across.
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Post by dogfan on Oct 31, 2016 15:54:16 GMT -7
Not to beat a dead horse, but when they missed the Field goal at the 13:00 mark, did the official call a personal foul? I cannot see his signal very clearly. Can anyone see where that infraction occurs?
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Post by sevenjrs on Oct 31, 2016 16:29:05 GMT -7
I sent Dusty Young with NMAA a long winded Email, Sat. morning, in reference to the game friday. He just responded that he is working with Cooper Henderson and the NMAA board. I am extremely proud that Coach Henderson has seen fit to lodge a formal protest with NMAA. I WISH lots of others here would also send Dusty an Email "TODAY" expressing your concerns,,,the more they hear bout it,,the more they will work to change or at least clarify the rule. Let's not let the Bulldogs down,,,,!!!!
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Post by Rick on Oct 31, 2016 20:00:41 GMT -7
Let Goddard enjoy it while it can, then take it out on the Rockettes when you meet 'em again in the playoffs.
P.S. It was #42 who was slapping at the ball. What's that guy's name?
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Post by crispysdad on Nov 1, 2016 3:42:57 GMT -7
Let Goddard enjoy it while it can, then take it out on the Rockettes when you meet 'em again in the playoffs.
P.S. It was #42 who was slapping at the ball. What's that guy's name? I just checked their roster on MaxPreps and they don't have a #42 listed.......at least according to MaxPreps
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Post by OldCenter on Nov 1, 2016 6:26:29 GMT -7
Perhaps you guys have already talked about this... But correct me if I'm wrong...
At 22 seconds, on the play that we were called for pass interference, did you notice that Goddard had 12 men on the field?
It should have been a penalty against Goddard as soon as the ball was snapped.
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Post by bdogfan on Nov 1, 2016 9:19:25 GMT -7
I don't think we have talked about it. A new variable.
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Post by DoggieDog on Nov 1, 2016 9:34:24 GMT -7
Not to beat a dead horse, but when they missed the Field goal at the 13:00 mark, did the official call a personal foul? I cannot see his signal very clearly. Can anyone see where that infraction occurs? The call was roughing the snapper. It seems like its a focus of officials this year I high school and college. It basically is a rule that protects the snapper. You cannot hit him at all during or after the snap until he begins moving downfield. Basically you cannot touch the snapper. His stance and motions make him vulnerable to being hit and injured. Thus the rule. In this case we did make contact with the snapper. I've seen this call in high school and college being called more often this year. We will not get to change the outcome of the game. The officials wont be fired cause there is an extreme shortage of officials. They get paid around $50 to $75 a game. Heck thru wont even be black balled from calling our games cause there is such a shortage of officials. We committed too many penalties. We gave up a touchdown on special teams. Some of the penalties we committed were drive killers. We missed blocks we dripped balls we missed tackles. A lot of different variables on our side that contributed to the loss. He'd we tackled the return guy we may have been much farther ahead. Had we not committed so many penalties we may have scored a few more times or made a few more stops. When you play a tight game you give the officials a chance to be a part of the game. And I this case they played a huge part of the outcome. Coach Henderson can do all he wants. He can meet with the board of the NMAA and so forth. But Goddard still won and we will still have the loss. Wish we could change it but nothing we can do but focus on Lovington. I'm sure the team and coaches have longed moved on.
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Post by Charliedog on Nov 1, 2016 11:22:46 GMT -7
DoggieDog I agree 100% but there has to be a clarification on what is legal in trying to steal the snap from Center.
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Post by dogfan on Nov 1, 2016 13:34:30 GMT -7
Thank you DoggieDog!
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Post by sevenjrs on Nov 1, 2016 20:31:57 GMT -7
"" DoggieDog I agree 100% but there has to be a clarification on what is legal in trying to steal the snap from Center. "" I agree with this, I cannot ever remember NMAA changing the final outcome of a game due to an official's call,,,,after the fact. It's my thought that Coach Henderson is just working with NMAA to either change the rule or at least clarify it where we DO NOT start seeing this type of shoddy play. Now that the goddard coach has put a spotlight on this poor example of sportsmanship,, there is NO DOUBT in my mind, if NMAA does not do the right thing SOON,,,,you WILL see more and more of this and probably start seeing more injured players as a result. I do not do facebook or them others but a great many friends have been telling me, the negatives have all been going against the goddard coach. I'm curious what the RISD thinks about all this negative publicity against their programs,? There seems to be some concern about the shortage of officials possibly influencing NMAA's reluctance to changing or updating the rules. I for one, do not feel that is our concern. If NMAA has to raise their pay rate to enlist better quality officials,,,then so be it!!! All these athletes work their tails off for many, many hours to be their best and we should do our part by pushing NMAA for THEM to do what is "Right".
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