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Post by Old fart on Nov 1, 2016 20:45:06 GMT -7
Goddard is the only team I have ever seen do this. They only do it late in the game and they are behind but within one score. It's typical Goddard, win at all costs, including your dignity. I remember when goddard played Aztec in the state championship at the wool bowl in 2008 goddard behind a touchdown, and their nose swiped at the ball for a turnover just as it happend last Friday night and goddard recovered the ball and ended up scoring on their offensive possession to win that game. So you can blame jernigan for this continued teaching of swiping the ball. He is STILL a thorn in the bulldogs behinds! Also, my guess is that the nose was swiping at the ball when artesia qb was saying hut. By this time a cadence was picked up by goddard. Should of gone on a silent snap.
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Post by DoggieDog on Nov 1, 2016 21:38:47 GMT -7
The NMAA went to the National High school federation for a ruling on this on Tuesday. They stated that what Goddard did by swiping of the ball was within the rules. So they said it was a legal play. Dont ask me how they figured this out but they did. Story to follow in the Albuquerque Journal.
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Post by dlewis on Nov 1, 2016 22:06:59 GMT -7
As long as the ball has already been snapped it is legal, but if the ball is not snapped yet and the swipe is made it is offsides right?
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Post by Rick on Nov 2, 2016 8:28:07 GMT -7
I've been thinking about this a bit. I always thought the ball was dead until it's actually hiked, that action instantly making it a live ball and thus up for grabs.
Do high school rules, though, consider the ball "live" as soon as the center grips the ball prior to snapping it? Even if the actual snap is several seconds away, is the ball now up for grabs and free for the "fumble-creating" tactic Goddard's using?
Goddard's coach is catching hell about this on FB? Great! I gotta look that up.
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Post by bloodrunsorange on Nov 2, 2016 15:43:10 GMT -7
"Also, my guess is that the nose was swiping at the ball when artesia qb was saying hut. By this time a cadence was picked up by goddard. Should of gone on a silent snap."
I can tell you that Coach Henderson did use the silent count along with some other tactics. We see this again be assured our coaching staff will be ready and have the boys ready. #GoDogs
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Post by sevenjrs on Nov 2, 2016 16:20:48 GMT -7
We see this again be assured our coaching staff will be ready and have the boys ready. #GoDogs
IF NHSF rules that slapping the ball is legal,,,,this will change the whole scheme of the game,,,cause ANY TEAM, on ANY OCCASION, on ANY PLAY will be suspect to doing exactly this,,,! What a sorry CF this game will become,,,!!! I sincerely hope the goddard coach realizes just exactly what he has put in motion. He also should realize,,,there IS a way to defend this sorry play,,but players will get hurt,,,,so sad,,,,,
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Nov 2, 2016 16:28:06 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure the NMAA has a rules committee. They can elect to subtract or add to the existing set of rules they use at their own discretion. We use the NCAA rules in Texas, and I know there are rules we have chosen to discard. I don't know how anyone would expect the coaches to get the kids ready for it. The Goddard player did not wait for the snap. He slapped the ball before the it moved.
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Post by bdogfan on Nov 2, 2016 17:58:40 GMT -7
Do you really think Goddard cares about what people think of their football shenanigans? CALPREPS has the coyotes winning by 3 points. If it is that close they will do the same thing.
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Post by rulefollower on Nov 3, 2016 23:44:28 GMT -7
NFHS Rule 7-2; Art. 4 states "A snap shall be such that the ball immediately leaves the hand or hands of the snapper and touches a BACK or the GROUND before it touches an A lineman. A scrimmage down must start with a legal snap. An illegal snap causes the ball to remain dead."
By definition, the ball must touch a BACK or the GROUND to be considered a legal snap. If anyone other than a BACK or the GROUND touches the ball then, by definition, it is NOT a legal snap and the ball remains dead.
For the rule to be interpreted otherwise is, literally, nonsense. It is not necessary to state every possible way that a snap can be illegal in order to define what makes it legal. It is only necessary to define what makes it legal.
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Nov 4, 2016 5:45:02 GMT -7
NFHS Rule 7-2; Art. 4 states "A snap shall be such that the ball immediately leaves the hand or hands of the snapper and touches a BACK or the GROUND before it touches an A lineman. A scrimmage down must start with a legal snap. An illegal snap causes the ball to remain dead." By definition, the ball must touch a BACK or the GROUND to be considered a legal snap. If anyone other than a BACK or the GROUND touches the ball then, by definition, it is NOT a legal snap and the ball remains dead. For the rule to be interpreted otherwise is, literally, nonsense. It is not necessary to state every possible way that a snap can be illegal in order to define what makes it legal. It is only necessary to define what makes it legal. Interesting. And correct, in a literal sense, as you say.
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Post by mistopixo on Nov 4, 2016 14:01:55 GMT -7
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Post by Charliedog on Nov 4, 2016 14:04:38 GMT -7
BOOM and I love the sentence that this was unsportsmanlike and just plain bad for Football says it all
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Post by sevenjrs on Nov 4, 2016 15:14:50 GMT -7
Artesia won a heck of a lot more than godderd did with this ruling. I am PROUD of Cooper and Rex Henderson, for their following thru on this. Cooper and Rex had the winning approach in presenting this for rules clarification instead of asking for game change,,!! From what I hear from friends of two Albuquerque schools, the godderd coach is being looked at like the cheater he is. The ones I feel for are his players who are having to bear the fruits of his,,,,,,,,,,,,, ? (fill in your own words,LOL) Charging ON,,Bulldogs,,,Charging On,,,!!!!!
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Post by sevenjrs on Nov 4, 2016 15:19:53 GMT -7
OOPS,,,been meaning to ask and keep forgetting. Where were the officials from and anybody get their names,,?? Another thing, can a head coach "blackball" a group of officials for his games??
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Post by Rick on Nov 4, 2016 15:23:42 GMT -7
Definitive phrasing and straight to the point -- not that what the NMAA said or anything outside evaluators saw will change the minds of many of the Goddard faithful.
I'm sure in their addled thinking, the Bulldog center already WAS snapping the ball each time the Rocket player swiped at it. What the video shows will make no difference to them.
Well done, Brienne.
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Post by Rick on Nov 4, 2016 15:25:44 GMT -7
OOPS,,,been meaning to ask and keep forgetting. Where were the officials from and anybody get their names,,?? Another thing, can a head coach "blackball" a group of officials for his games?? I've been told they were from Carlsbad.
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Post by sevenjrs on Nov 5, 2016 21:25:08 GMT -7
Was talking with a dear friend who played here with one of our sons and his son now plays for Roswell. He told me the parents of the Roswell center are going to file a "complaint" with the Superintendant of RISD,,,!! He tells me the center's knees and shins are swollen and bruised from the 3 helmet hits. He says the Roswell crowd BOOOOO'ed the godderd team and the coach,,,!!!! I told him I would get the supt's address for them,,,,,,lol,,,,
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Post by 90sdog on Nov 6, 2016 7:56:16 GMT -7
NFHS Rule 7-2; Art. 4 states "A snap shall be such that the ball immediately leaves the hand or hands of the snapper and touches a BACK or the GROUND before it touches an A lineman. A scrimmage down must start with a legal snap. An illegal snap causes the ball to remain dead] It does not say offensive lineman. ANY lineman cannot touch the ball before it touches a back or the ground...end of discussion.
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Post by Mr. Pitch on Nov 6, 2016 8:51:15 GMT -7
And your point is?
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Post by bdogfan on Nov 6, 2016 14:05:34 GMT -7
huh?
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